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Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:09 pm to rockiee
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What is the buyout after next season in 2018?
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:40 pm to rockiee
I think Gary Patterson would do a great job up here. But thats still probably a pipe dream.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:43 pm to razorbackfan4life
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I think Gary Patterson would do a great job up here. But thats still probably a pipe dream.
He is paid whatever he wants and has had statues built for him at TCU...
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:59 pm to Pigfeet
The non-mutual terms of the buyout are just profoundly stupid, and is a borderline fireable offense for Long.
It was basically a lose-lose contract for us. If Bert is bad (as has turned out to be the case) we can't afford to fire him. If he's good, there isn't a huge financial roadblock to keep him from leaving for another job.
It was basically a lose-lose contract for us. If Bert is bad (as has turned out to be the case) we can't afford to fire him. If he's good, there isn't a huge financial roadblock to keep him from leaving for another job.
This post was edited on 12/30/16 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:02 pm to Feral
The problem is that others also had to sign off on that contract. Its not just about Long, it is the BOT as well.
I know your angst is targeted at Long, but you must also consider everyone who approved such a contract.
Blame does rest with Long, but not all of the blame.
I know your angst is targeted at Long, but you must also consider everyone who approved such a contract.
Blame does rest with Long, but not all of the blame.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:03 pm to Hawgeye
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Blame does rest with Long, but not all of the blame.
Was about to type the same thing, there is plenty of egg to go around
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:10 pm to Feral
Although I somewhat agree because we seem to get pretty good qbs from Arkansas if nothing else, the problem for Bert hasn't been the passing game. It's been the run. Idc what the stats say this year, or even last for that matter. Most of the time we have 3 or 4 huge stat games a year with maybe 1 or 2 coming in sec play and that's what makes the rushing stats look decent. Like this year when rawleigh feasts in ooc games, miss state, and maybe one more but I can't quite remember. Other than that the run game was non existant for the year. Now I think that we all know that falls at the terrible Oline play, but hell, he did that the past 2 seasons as well. The fact is, against our toughest competition and against just about anyone inside the red zone, Arkansas run game under beilama has been pretty lackluster and not because of the backs. His entire time here, whether it was because of scheme or personell, we haven't gotten the push we need against top opponents and inside the red zone.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:50 pm to Hawgeye
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The problem is that others also had to sign off on that contract. Its not just about Long, it is the BOT as well.
I know your angst is targeted at Long, but you must also consider everyone who approved such a contract.
Blame does rest with Long, but not all of the blame.
You're preaching to the choir here.
I was a Long supporter/apologist from the get-go up through this season, though my patience was wearing thin before then.
Point being that he was arguably the architect of this extension and worked to have it midwifed by the BOT.
For better or worse, Long dynamited the old GOBN power structure when he took over. In many aspects that's been a good and necessary step for our program, but with it comes the burden of responsibility when things go south.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:35 pm to Pigfeet
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I'm ok with the mullet, just worry that he uses this job as his rocking chair and doesn't come in with full passion to win a championship.
Jeff Long allows coaches to put it in cruise control.
I would love to take a chance on a young up and comer
Gundy isn't an up-and-comer, but he's only 49 years old. He's got easily 25 more years of coaching in him if he wants to. I'm not sure why he'd be ready to coast at only 49, having never won any kind of championship. Even his conference title in 2011 was won without a championship game. I would think guys of his skill, coaching at his level, simply aren't built that way.
Then again, look at Bielema. I don't know if it's fair to say he's coasting, it's possible that he's just not good enough to get it done. Something about the guy's thought process is seriously broken. His "don't flinch" philosophy is getting him buried.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 3:04 pm to VagueMessage
I think Bert is wired as a normal human. As in, normal people like weekends off. They like summer vacations. They enjoy time at home and cooking out in the summer. They like drinks by the pool. They like getting a hot wife and then giving up on their looks and justify getting fat because their arm piece means they won at life. They like comfortabl office days on Friday. They like to talk about being the man, but in reality those are just thoughts out loud.
Coaches are wired different. They work every day. Their family comes to their office to have dinner with them. They push themselves physically just as they push their players. They take no days off. Casual Friday's are for sissy's who aren't classy enough to dress right for the job every day of the week. Coaches take a weekend off in the summer to go to the lake. They don't tweet about it.
Coaches are wired different. They work every day. Their family comes to their office to have dinner with them. They push themselves physically just as they push their players. They take no days off. Casual Friday's are for sissy's who aren't classy enough to dress right for the job every day of the week. Coaches take a weekend off in the summer to go to the lake. They don't tweet about it.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 3:24 pm to Hawgeye
OK, that contract made my Blood Pressure go up quite a bit. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!
I have been on the CBB Train for a while, yesterday I sit in front of a huge projection screen at a sports bar watching us win 24/0 knowing that we could very easily lose this game....
When that is more the norm (Apathy) than the anomaly then dang, we have a major problem. Clay Travis may be right about us yet...
We are stuck effectively with CBB until 2020 with that buyout regardless of his success or lack of. Corrrect> ????
If he could Jenny Craig it for a few months, both on and off the field, he might be successful. PX90 and we win a natty
I have been on the CBB Train for a while, yesterday I sit in front of a huge projection screen at a sports bar watching us win 24/0 knowing that we could very easily lose this game....
When that is more the norm (Apathy) than the anomaly then dang, we have a major problem. Clay Travis may be right about us yet...
We are stuck effectively with CBB until 2020 with that buyout regardless of his success or lack of. Corrrect> ????
If he could Jenny Craig it for a few months, both on and off the field, he might be successful. PX90 and we win a natty
Posted on 12/31/16 at 6:54 am to Razorback Reverend
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We are stuck effectively with CBB until 2020 with that buyout regardless of his success or lack of. Corrrect> ????
Unless his contract gets renegotiated, I don't see another way out
Posted on 12/31/16 at 8:56 am to Razorback Reverend
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OK, that contract made my Blood Pressure go up quite a bit. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!
My new goal in life is to negotiate a contract with Jeff Long and the Arkansas BOT.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:41 am to Razorback Reverend
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OK, that contract made my Blood Pressure go up quite a bit. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!
I have been on the CBB Train for a while, yesterday I sit in front of a huge projection screen at a sports bar watching us win 24/0 knowing that we could very easily lose this game....
When that is more the norm (Apathy) than the anomaly then dang, we have a major problem. Clay Travis may be right about us yet...
We are stuck effectively with CBB until 2020 with that buyout regardless of his success or lack of. Corrrect> ????
If he could Jenny Craig it for a few months, both on and off the field, he might be successful. PX90 and we win a natty
People lambasted him at the time, but Frank was right. We're limited with respect to our recruiting footprint, state population and demographics, and donor base, especially when compared to most other SEC programs. Hell, Orville highlights in his book that even Crowe said it when a member of the Arkansas media caught up with him during the Ford era -- he said that we've always overachieved on good coaching, and that we can't simply get by on talent and average coaching like an Alabama or an Oklahoma.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:41 am to Arksulli
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My new goal in life is to negotiate a contract with Jeff Long and the Arkansas BOT.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 10:06 am to Hawgeye
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I think Bert is wired as a normal human. As in, normal people like weekends off. They like summer vacations. They enjoy time at home and cooking out in the summer. They like drinks by the pool. They like getting a hot wife and then giving up on their looks and justify getting fat because their arm piece means they won at life. They like comfortabl office days on Friday. They like to talk about being the man, but in reality those are just thoughts out loud.
Coaches are wired different. They work every day. Their family comes to their office to have dinner with them. They push themselves physically just as they push their players. They take no days off. Casual Friday's are for sissy's who aren't classy enough to dress right for the job every day of the week. Coaches take a weekend off in the summer to go to the lake. They don't tweet about it.
Agreed, and this is something I've noticed as well.
For the most part, successful football coaches definitely aren't normal human beings. They have insatiable egos and ambition, they work 18 to 20 hour days, they don't take personal time or sick days, and family time and personal responsibilities are a distant second on the work-life scale. At face value and from what can be gleaned from afar, Bert doesn't seem to be like that at all. As I've mentioned on here before when griping about Bielema, you can somewhat have that approach to a feasible work-life balance as a football coach coach in another conference (specifically the Big Ten, or rather the one in which Bielema coached), but most assuredly not in the SEC.
It's why I'm thoroughly convinced that if he leaves Arkansas of his own volition - which I think he will now - he'll leave for a Big Ten program like Iowa, Minnesota, Indiana or Purdue provided that he could get one of those jobs after underperforming here.
This post was edited on 12/31/16 at 10:07 am
Posted on 12/31/16 at 10:55 am to Feral
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It's why I'm thoroughly convinced that if he leaves Arkansas of his own volition - which I think he will now - he'll leave for a Big Ten program like Iowa, Minnesota, Indiana or Purdue provided that he could get one of those jobs after underperforming here.
He would probably do fairly well at one of those schools. His system and way of doing things would work someplace like Minnesota, or at least do well enough they'd be happy with the results.
For that matter he'd be a great talking head on TV. Bert would make a hell of a color guy I think.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 10:57 am to Arksulli
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For that matter he'd be a great talking head on TV. Bert would make a hell of a color guy I think.
I've always thought this would be his future
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