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re: Are people overreacting?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:48 am to Feral
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:48 am to Feral
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We scored a grand total of THREE second half points in 4 of our final 6 games against P5 opponents last year,
What about first half, if you are trying to make the point about getting worse as the season progresses. You can't just throw out the 1st half. Your stats just point to Bert and his staff being horrible at halftime adjustments.
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:48 am to Feral
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Fake news?
The fake news in this case is your decision to arbitrarily leave out 2 games to try and make your point.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:49 am to UltimateHog
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The staple with Bret has been large improvements over the course of the season after slow starts.
The problem I have with this though is our bye week is way to early. The second half of the season could be really rough if we get unlucky with some injuries.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:11 am to Stonehog
It's unlikely we're going to be 2013 bad. But your scenario is probably very near the best-case. I'm really not interested in going 8–5 again and pretending that it was a good season. 8–5 is OK, and I think that's acceptable a lot of the time. When it's your year five ceiling and it barely puts you over .500 (well, well under .500 in conference play), then my stance is the same. Of course, it's also quite possible we're going to lose to either A&M and/or South Carolina and go 7–5/6–6. It's indefensible to be that bad again.
I don't even think 9–4 is all that good, given the fact we could have had that or better the past two years, but decided we'd much rather not. Doing the obvious thing and not losing to Toledo, Texas Tech, Missouri, and V-Tech would have done wonders for the quality of conversation we'd be having right now.
I don't even think 9–4 is all that good, given the fact we could have had that or better the past two years, but decided we'd much rather not. Doing the obvious thing and not losing to Toledo, Texas Tech, Missouri, and V-Tech would have done wonders for the quality of conversation we'd be having right now.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:12 am to Columbia
They were in 2012. And 2013.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:19 am to UltimateHog
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I would never count 2013 against him in any scenario so for me it's definitely true.
I don't particularly hold it against him. He had lot's of things working against him. But he also had the players and the theoretical coaching ability to win more than three games, if we're being honest with ourselves. He gave us the worst conference record the Hogs have ever had. I'm not going to pretend that first year record really meant much, but he gets to claim that.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:26 pm to Stonehog
Oh people are upset, that is a given.
And it is certainly possible we could win 8 games this season given how craptacular most of the SEC looks right now.
But its not the loss to TCU that has people "overreacting". Its Bert fatigue plain and simple. Its five years worth of issues that have people fed up with this coaching regime.
People are tired of the slow starts to the season. They are tired of the yearly losses in games we should have won. People are tired of 7 regular season wins appearing to be the ceiling for the team. They are tired of being below .500 in SEC play, even if the 2013 season is ignored.
Its not one game souring the entire fan base, its a steady drumbeat of failure to live up to what we want from the program. We've been told that we are building up the program right and that Arkansas is about to turn the corner for years now. Well, people would like to turn that corner now and see improvement this year. Not next year, or the year after that, or the year after that.
The fans are moving from mad to apathetic.
To be blunt, its shite or get off the pot time.
And it is certainly possible we could win 8 games this season given how craptacular most of the SEC looks right now.
But its not the loss to TCU that has people "overreacting". Its Bert fatigue plain and simple. Its five years worth of issues that have people fed up with this coaching regime.
People are tired of the slow starts to the season. They are tired of the yearly losses in games we should have won. People are tired of 7 regular season wins appearing to be the ceiling for the team. They are tired of being below .500 in SEC play, even if the 2013 season is ignored.
Its not one game souring the entire fan base, its a steady drumbeat of failure to live up to what we want from the program. We've been told that we are building up the program right and that Arkansas is about to turn the corner for years now. Well, people would like to turn that corner now and see improvement this year. Not next year, or the year after that, or the year after that.
The fans are moving from mad to apathetic.
To be blunt, its shite or get off the pot time.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:56 pm to Stonehog
My prediction is the overreaction will be after we win 7-8 games and everyone is back on the Bertwagon.
Half of the conference is a dumpster fire. Mizzou, Ole Miss, A&M can be beaten by any half-competent team. Scar is also very beatable. And we still have two OOC gimmes.
Half of the conference is a dumpster fire. Mizzou, Ole Miss, A&M can be beaten by any half-competent team. Scar is also very beatable. And we still have two OOC gimmes.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:50 pm to The Sultan of Swine
So, what if we win 8 games and are tied in the conference for 3rd overall with several others in our record...
I could see something like this happening.
Auburn looked terrible, tamu same... Mozzou
... LSU? What the....
SC?
Ole Miss?
I could see something like this happening.
Auburn looked terrible, tamu same... Mozzou
... LSU? What the.... SC?
Ole Miss?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:12 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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My prediction is the overreaction will be after we win 7-8 games and everyone is back on the Bertwagon.
I think it would take 8 regular season wins, plus a bowl win for this to really happen.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:42 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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My prediction is the overreaction will be after we win 7-8 games and everyone is back on the Bertwagon
Like I already said. Win out. Bertwagon time. Lose 1 game.... not so much. Even if he loses just 1 and it is to bama, we will be 10-2, but the over arching feeling to me will still be "how the frick did we lose to tcu????"
Idk i guess i could be on the Bertwagon with a 10-2 record. I'd still be chapped we lost to TCU though.
Hell even 9-3 It would be what I predicted, but then it tells me we lost to a team we should not have, and beat one we weren't supposed to. Which then goes back to him being inconsistent.
8 wins and I'm still in the fire bert wagon. We should have won more than this already, and the sec is way down. We should be stomping dicks right now, and elevating our position in the sec.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:46 pm to russellvillehog
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Like I already said. Win out. Bertwagon time. Lose 1 game.... not so much. Even if he loses just 1 and it is to bama, we will be 10-2, but the over arching feeling to me will still be "how the frick did we lose to tcu????"
Idk i guess i could be on the Bertwagon with a 10-2 record. I'd still be chapped we lost to TCU though.
You are letting some of your recency bias kick in, even if the rest of the SEC sucks. Beating everyone except Bama would feel amazing. I would even take another loss and be ok with 9-3.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:48 pm to rockiee
I edited the post, to follow through what my thinking would be really.
You are right. I would be fapping if we went 10-2.
You are right. I would be fapping if we went 10-2.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:48 pm to russellvillehog
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Like I already said. Win out. Bertwagon time. Lose 1 game.... not so much. Even if he loses just 1 and it is to bama, we will be 10-2, but the over arching feeling to me will still be "how the frick did we lose to tcu????"
I will never be upset about 10 wins at Arkansas, no matter the situation.
Unless our coach crashes his motorcycle afterwards.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:50 pm to russellvillehog
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I edited the post, to follow through what my thinking would be really.
I think 8 is the number where people start to maybe rethink but losing a bowl after getting to 8 is just going to start up the negativity again.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:05 pm to Stonehog
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The fake news in this case is your decision to arbitrarily leave out 2 games to try and make your point.
Don't get mad because you accused me of "making up" stats and got called on it.
Here's your qualifier - including those two games you're referencing (Florida and MSU), we still averaged 5.5 second half points over the course of those final six games, and we were outscored 132-33 in the second half.
You can dress it up however you want, but that turd burger is still going to taste like shite.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:10 pm to rockiee
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I think 8 is the number where people start to maybe rethink but losing a bowl after getting to 8 is just going to start up the negativity again.
To calm the fan base down, which is a tall order at this point, it would probably take 8 regular season wins, no insane Auburn-like losses, and winning the bowl game. That would be a winning record in the SEC, being at the doorstep of 10 wins, and gives you positive momentum going into the offseason.
However, like you said, lose that bowl game and the negativity probably cranks back up again.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:25 pm to Feral
5 years is more than enough time to achieve a 9/10 win season at Arkansas.
So I personally don't think people are overreacting. In fact I think, under Bielema, fans have been more than patient. He has a great personality, and a good vision. It just isn't working out here.
He could blow all our minds and finish with 9 wins this year, but I just don't see that happening.
So I personally don't think people are overreacting. In fact I think, under Bielema, fans have been more than patient. He has a great personality, and a good vision. It just isn't working out here.
He could blow all our minds and finish with 9 wins this year, but I just don't see that happening.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:30 pm to Feral
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Don't get mad because you accused me of "making up" stats and got called on it.
You did make up that stat. "Four of our last six games against FBS teams in the second half only" is a made up stat. Show me on the NCAA website where I can find the rankings of teams based on points scored in the last four out of six games against FBS opponents only counting the second half. I'll wait.
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You can dress it up however you want, but that turd burger is still going to taste like shite.
You're actually dressing it down instead of just being straightforward with the stats.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:17 pm to Feral
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Don't get mad because you accused me of "making up" stats and got called on it.
Here's your qualifier - including those two games you're referencing (Florida and MSU), we still averaged 5.5 second half points over the course of those final six games, and we were outscored 132-33 in the second half.
You can dress it up however you want, but that turd burger is still going to taste like shite.
Feral, what the hell are you doing? Are you trying to argue with Stonehog?
He will cherry pick the stats he wants and ignore everything else. Its how he rolls.
Best way to handle this is when you bring up something and he gets offended is to just say "indeed".
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