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re: Your gut feeling...who will start at QB?

Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:26 am to
Posted by South Alabama Tide
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Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:26 am to
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Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 7/4/16 at 12:42 pm to
Every year we get up in arms about how limited our starting QB is going to be, and every year that player ends up blowing us away.

There's no reason to be as pessimistic as some are in here. Whoever our QB is, that player is going to be amazing.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 7/4/16 at 1:11 pm to
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What



August 1, 2014. Coker joins QB battle. Competition is wide open.

June 15, 2015. Bama has the SEC's most intriguing QB battle but Saban isn't tipping his hand.

April 11, 2016 Saban says he'd start Bateman if Bama played today.

Unlike 2014 or 2015, there is clubhouse leader named such by no less than Saban himself. Now tell me how that isn't more stable than any year since AJ. Everybody on the roster knows where they stand going into fall camp - and that is looking up at Bateman.




This post was edited on 7/4/16 at 2:30 pm
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/4/16 at 5:33 pm to
Which should scare the shite out of you. So far we've seen a guy that either can't or won't throw the deep ball and he looks scared to death. He lost his only start last year. Yeah, he looks good short to intermediate but that alone won't cut it. His apparent lack of confidence scares me.
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 7/4/16 at 5:43 pm to
Bateman looked very Spencer Pennington-esque in limited duty last year. My vote is a solid hell no.

I say roll with one of the freshman. Slim chance they get ruined with our weapons & OL. Much slimmer chance than Bateman shitting himself due to lack of confidence.

Don't give me this "But he was 4 star" shite either. Marc Guillon was a 4 star too and he couldn't wipe his own arse.
This post was edited on 7/4/16 at 5:45 pm
Posted by dietcokeaddict
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 7/4/16 at 6:01 pm to
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Looks like Barnett will be getting married.


The happy couple is registered here
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 7/4/16 at 7:04 pm to
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Which should scare the shite out of you.


Why?

Since AJ graduated, an athlete that bounced around positions led Bama to a SEC title and playoff berth. Then in 2015 the guy who couldn't beat that athlete and looked lost and indecisive in 2014 led Bama to a national title.

Here's a news flash. Brandon Avalos ain't walking through that door. Every QB on the roster is a 4* or better and would probably start for any team in the west except Ole Miss. If the staff (who should have earned the benefit of the doubt by now) decides the guy that is so fast he was tried at WR to get the ball in his hands and responsible/reliable enough to have been trusted with the holding job for two years is the guy to lead the offense then I ain't worried one bit and you shouldn't be either.
This post was edited on 7/4/16 at 7:07 pm
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/5/16 at 12:32 am to
You guys act like players don't improve. Sims looked like garbage his whole career until his senior year. Coker the same until almost halfway through his senior year. Bateman was a sophomore last year getting his first playing time, of course he's going to get better. Agree he needs to get his confidence up, work on deep ball and run when there's room, but I'm betting Kiffin can get him there. If not, he'll get one of the other guys there.
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3705 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 6:44 am to
Confidence issues rarely ever improve to the point of the issues completely going away.

Name 1 QB in major college football or the NFL who completely got over being timid and playing scared.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 8:07 am to
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Confidence issues rarely ever improve to the point of the issues completely going away.




I don't think anyone expects them to completely go away. But with experience, comes confidence. If you didn't see the confidence Coker had in himself grow every week last year, you weren't paying attention. Same with McCarron in 2011, McElroy in 09, Sims in 14. You simply can't replicate game situations in practice, and until a QB has a few games under his belt, most are going to show timidness and uncertainty. And most will still be timid in certain situations even after some experience. Hell, Coker looked lost in the 1st half of the Clemson game last year. But he had enough confidence to not screw it up to a point we were out of the game.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21687 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 8:22 am to
Barnett.

I'm not buying into the naysayers. I think Saban is giving him the "let's see how you handle adversity summer treatment", like he did AJ.
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
12221 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 8:37 am to
I just hope it's not Bateman. If Bama has a 1st time starting QB this year, it pretty much guarantees Bama a championship based on recent past history.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11455 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 8:54 am to
Batemans problems started his senior year in high school when his team sucked and he got hurt in game 4 and he was done for the year. He had a pretty good junior year but nothing to knock your socks off. And all this in Utah...not exactly a hotbed for high school football talent. He is facing the best talent he's ever seen in his life week in and week out and I don't think the game has completely slowed down for him yet. So yeah, he's scared to death. Maybe he does grow into the job, Kiffin has been a zen master at that. But going into the season facing the most talented team we've faced in an opener since Saban arrived and an Ole Miss team that has a two game win streak on us all in the first month makes me worry. I think the Brandon Avalos comment may be a little more accurate than you think. Not that I think Cooper will be a total bust, but he may resemble Avalos a little more than we would like until he gets settled. Face it, you could plug Avalos in on this team and we'd win 8-9 games no sweat. I just don't think Bateman is the best long term option at QB. He may be the safest right now, but I don't see very much upside either. I'd rather trust my defense and my run game and JK Scott to keep me out of trouble while Barnett or Hurts learns the job. The thing about a shaky QB is no matter how far he has progressed, if he has a bad game going, the fear comes back in a hurry and things go south real fast. Then you've got big problems until and unless the kid can play his way through it. He can do that against UK or Kent State. USC, Ole Miss, LSU...not so much. That's why Cooper scares me. Blake Sims and Coker had their faults, but lack of swagger wasn't one of them. They had confidence in their abilities even when they weren't playing well. They walked and talked like a QB. Cooper looks scared, is scared. If he goes out there and throws a pick six his first series against SC, how does he respond? We won't know how he will handle adversity until he faces it this fall. I'm pretty sure he is the starter going into the season, I'm just not sure how that's going to work out.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:14 am to
I remember thinking Blake Sims looked scared and played even more scared in the '13 A-day game. If he's that scared in a spring game, he'll never make it as our starting QB, I thought. Since then, I'm very reluctant to judge players based on how scared I perceive them to be.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16988 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:34 am to
Barnett has a ton of work to do. The three people whom I know personally that watched him and me once at the scrimmage all saw the same thing " hot slaw". He floats passes, passes into coverage all the time, struggles on cross field throws. Sure he can throw it 70 yards with no equipment and no rushing lineman. So can Cornwell, and Hurts, and almost Bateman.

On to Bateman, he really is like one step away from being good but I don't know if he can fix his long ball. It is quite honestly one of the worst I've seen. He also lacks confidence, he won't run much, he hesitates etc. Maybe he can be fixed not sure.

Cornwell, well he is a pro style guy and has a nice arm. Problem is he is slow, like really slow but not just with his feet either. I've seen him make some real head scratches. If we had a solid OLINE for sure no questions he would be a total go.

Hurts, probably the best fresh talent we have had in a long time. Not just the Barnett I won the elite 11 which means nothing stuff. He is very athletic, looks down field, makes solid throws and can scramble like a mad man. If he already had a bama year it would be no question at all. But as we are in this situation it's hard to say.

All n all the staff will go to the power point percentage meeting. This is where they show who gives them the best chance to win. Lane will do his best to develop whomever they think is the guy.
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
13619 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:46 am to
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Looks like Barnett will be getting married.


19 year old college kid proposes to his GF...hmmm. perhaps double congrats in order?
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 11:32 am to
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perhaps double congrats in order?



Gotta admit, that was my first thought too.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 11:46 am to
Bateman did look "scared" against OM. But again, it was his first start as a sophomore against a top 10 defense. Even playing scared he completed 11/14 passes for around 90 yards and his only pick was a miscommunication where he threw one route and Stewart ran another. If that's a "bad" game against a top 10 defense...what's his ceiling once he really knows the offense? People forget we got down big in the first half, not because Bateman wasn't moving the offense--he was--we went down big because our kick returners decided OM should get the ball in our redzone a few times in the first half.

As far as our past QB's not ever looking scared, you guys have short memories. Sims and Coker both looked completely lost at times in scrimmages and in garbage time before their senior years. GMac looked terrible and terrified for a stretch during 2009, so much so that we put Ingram at Wildcat almost the entire second half against USCe. He rebounded and we won a title. Kiffin will have Bateman ready. If he can't get him there, one of the other guys will be ready. What we can't have with a good defense and special teams is a young QB that gives the opponent easy turnovers/points, which is what I'm afraid we'd get with the others.

BB8 has a lot of hype surrounding him, but I didn't see much to get giddy over in the scrimmage. Dude has a good arm, but is way too skinny for a 6'5 guy, isn't nearly as athletic as advertised, and has one of the worst throwing/side-arm motions I've seen not to mention the propensity to throw the ball to the wrong team. To me, Barnett has way more growing to do than Bateman to be ready to win and win big in the SEC. If we are going to go with a really young QB, Hurts looked head and shoulders more impressive.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 12:06 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30063 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 12:12 pm to
I want Barnett to win the job just so we can hear Musberger go all dirty-old-man on his GF/fiancée on the SEC Network.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 12:21 pm to
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Bateman did look "scared" against OM. But again, it was his first start as a sophomore against a top 10 defense. Even playing scared he completed 11/14 passes for around 90 yards and his only pick was a miscommunication where he threw one route and Stewart ran another. If that's a "bad" game against a top 10 defense...what's his ceiling once he really knows the offense? People forget we got down big in the first half, not because Bateman wasn't moving the offense--he was--we went down big because our kick returners decided OM should get the ball in our redzone a few times in the first half.

As far as our past QB's not ever looking scared, you guys have short memories. Sims and Coker both looked completely lost at times in scrimmages and in garbage time before their senior years. GMac looked terrible and terrified for a stretch during 2009, so much so that we put Ingram at Wildcat almost the entire second half against USCe. He rebounded and we won a title. Kiffin will have Bateman ready. If he can't get him there, one of the other guys will be ready. What we can't have with a good defense and special teams is a young QB that gives the opponent easy turnovers/points, which is what I'm afraid we'd get with the others.

BB8 has a lot of hype surrounding him, but I didn't see much to get giddy over in the scrimmage. Dude has a good arm, but is way too skinny for a 6'5 guy, isn't nearly as athletic as advertised, and has one of the worst throwing/side-arm motions I've seen not to mention the propensity to throw the ball to the wrong team. To me, Barnett has way more growing to do than Bateman to be ready to win and win big in the SEC. If we are going to go with a really young QB, Hurts looked head and shoulders more impressive.



Don't bring your facts and logic here. It is July and Bama fans demand the right to panic unnecessarily!
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