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re: Robinson-Jones; legal perspective
Posted on 5/23/16 at 4:44 am to coachcrisp
Posted on 5/23/16 at 4:44 am to coachcrisp
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I know kids do dumb stuff, but this crap was way beyond just dumb!
The first part of your #3 is a good way to get yourself shot too.
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 9:09 am to Five0
I am with the ones that believe they should be done. All this trying to break it down of how they got it and what not is irrelevant. It does not change the fact they were driving around with guns and had drugs. No reason to have a gun unless you are doing something that concerns you will need it and if that is type of life you want to have so be it but it should not represent what UA football stands for.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 9:30 am to TideWarrior
So you think anyone who carries a gun is up to no good? There is a lot of law abiding citizens that carry guns with them everyday.
This is the south, everybody has a gun.
This is the south, everybody has a gun.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 9:56 am to TideWarrior
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No reason to have a gun unless you are doing something that concerns you will need it and if that is type of life you want to have so be it but it should not represent what UA football stands for.
At the president's (Obama's) instruction, the CDC did a research project on defensive gun use. They estimated that at a MINIMUM, there are over 100,000 instances of defensive gun use every year. That is THREE TIMES the number of people that die by gunshot (murder + suicide) every year - and that 100,000+ number is the low estimate. Other sources put the number at half a million or more.
Noted right wing, pro-gun site DAILYKOS' story on the study.
I guess enjoying my life and property would disqualify me from representing UA because that's why I choose to be armed. I have fire extinguishers in my home and vehicle for the same reason. Do they disqualify me too?
Posted on 5/23/16 at 4:00 pm to remaster916
Yes but her had a stolen gun along with one registered on the seat of the car correct? That's different than acting like he was carrying a legal gun registered with a carry and conceal permit. He was either up to no good or pretending and fantasizing about that life style. I hope he gets cleaned up the charges thrown out and they're both suited up by the USC game.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 7:08 pm to JustGetItRight
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No reason to have a gun unless you are doing something that concerns you will need it and if that is type of life you want to have so be it but it should not represent what UA football stands for.
At the president's (Obama's) instruction, the CDC did a research project on defensive gun use. They estimated that at a MINIMUM, there are over 100,000 instances of defensive gun use every year. That is THREE TIMES the number of people that die by gunshot (murder + suicide) every year - and that 100,000+ number is the low estimate. Other sources put the number at half a million or more.
Noted right wing, pro-gun site DAILYKOS' story on the study.
I guess enjoying my life and property would disqualify me from representing UA because that's why I choose to be armed. I have fire extinguishers in my home and vehicle for the same reason. Do they disqualify me too?
fire extinguishers and cars aren't used for crime ... and no, wally, not all guns are used for crimes ... guns that are stolen usually are, and when in the presence of drugs at 3 am, that's a fairly good indication that the gun is not used for self defense ... but hold on to that analogy if it works for you ...
Posted on 5/23/16 at 9:37 pm to tiderider
That may be what he meant but it damned sure is not what he said.
He clearly said carrying a gun with no qualifications whatsoever. I assume he meant what he said and thus he is utterly and completely wrong.
He clearly said carrying a gun with no qualifications whatsoever. I assume he meant what he said and thus he is utterly and completely wrong.
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:10 am to JustGetItRight
I've got no problem with a person drinking alcohol. I've got no problem with a person driving a car. I DO have a problem with a person doing both at the same time. 
Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:43 am to coachcrisp
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I've got no problem with a person drinking alcohol. I've got no problem with a person driving a car. I DO have a problem with a person doing both at the same time.
I don't agree one bit with the fact that they were armed while smoking weed.
The post I responded to said they shouldn't be on the team for having a gun which (absent the weed) is legal and very specifically stated that there is NO reason to have a gun unless you were up to no good.
I have a HUGE problem with that position.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:22 pm to JustGetItRight
Here is some free advice. If you buy a gun from someone if you know them or not, take it by the police station and have them run the SN. If it comes back stolen the po po keep the gun and you lose your money. But you will not be in trouble.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:54 pm to Herman Frisco
Won't they arrest you for being in possession of a stolen gun, then same thing they got Cam for.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:57 pm to remaster916
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Won't they arrest you for being in possession of a stolen gun, then same thing they got Cam for.
well you'd have a damn good defense that you didnt know the gun was stolen. Which, under most states' laws will get you off the hook.
Cam might have another damn good defense that he didnt know the gun was stolen. Or the cops might have the goods on him. Time will tell.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:59 pm to remaster916
I imagine if you have a sales receipt and then surrender to the police you would be ok. They would want to know who you got it from and the sales slip should tell them that
Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:58 pm to JustGetItRight
Get off your horse because I did not infer that people should not own guns. Except there are many that probably legally do that should not. I was referencing the fact they had a gun and drugs together.
In the end I will not excuse their stupidity because they knew what the expectations were for being a part of this team and there are way to many examples out there of what will get you kicked off the team. Plain and simple they need to be held accountable except our society now believes that should no longer be required.
In the end I will not excuse their stupidity because they knew what the expectations were for being a part of this team and there are way to many examples out there of what will get you kicked off the team. Plain and simple they need to be held accountable except our society now believes that should no longer be required.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:02 pm to JustGetItRight
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very specifically stated that there is NO reason to have a gun unless you were up to no good
Wrong again but maybe you need to reread because what I said was:
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No reason to have a gun unless you are doing something that concerns you will need it
I never said anything about being up to no good. If you need to have a gun you have that right but you should legally purchase it and know where it came from. This ignorance that so many want to over look baffles me.
The sad part if it was a bench player buried in the depth chart no one would care.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:06 pm to mrbroker
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I imagine if you have a sales receipt and then surrender to the police you would be ok. They would want to know who you got it from and the sales slip should tell them that
Yep.
There's really nothing much different between buying a used gun or TV or jewelry, or any other item commonly targeted by thieves.
Quite simply, if you don't buy it from a brick-and-mortar storefront there's always a chance that it might be stolen merchandise and you can be arrested and charged with possession of stolen goods (wording varies from state to state).
The defense against that charge is that you didn't know and had no reason to suspect that the item was stolen - even if you got it as a gift or from someone you trust. Guns are different in that for obvious reasons people take them more seriously than that flat-screen and serial numbers of stolen ones are entered into NCIC, making the information instantly available nationwide.
You could ask your local LE to run it, but they may not because NCIC use is logged and restricted. Their agency might have a policy against courtesy checks (they may even be against NCIC national policy). Your best defense is to keep documentation of the purchase.
Get a bill of sale and id of the seller and you should be fine.
Well, do that AND avoid having it in your lap while smoking weed at 2 a.m. in the gay hookup park.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:14 pm to TideWarrior
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I never said anything about being up to no good.
Really?
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No reason to have a gun unless you are doing something that concerns you will need it and if that is type of life you want to have so be it but it should not represent what UA football stands for.
Then perhaps you'd like to explain what you meant with the part in bold, which you conveniently left out in your reply.
I have a gun because I do something that gives me concern that I might need it. That something being living among other human beings, some of which are prone to violence.
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If you need to have a gun you have that right but you should legally purchase it and know where it came from. This ignorance that so many want to over look baffles me.
And what baffles me is how so many who say things like the part in bold ignore the fact that if you don't buy it from a storefront, you HAVE NO WAY to know where it came from - so I guess you're saying private sales should be illegal. Once again, the US Constitution disagrees with you.
CRob may have known the gun was stolen. If so, I hope he enjoys prison because that's where he should spend some time - but that determination can't be made until the facts of the case are known.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:19 pm to JustGetItRight
Look, it's not illegal to carry a gun or own one in this country. In fact, it's a constitutional right. The problem of course is that one of the guns was stolen. If Cam either stole the gun or knew it was stolen he should be off the team. If he bought it or received it as a gift and had no reason to suspect it was stolen, he should be disciplined, suspended, run every day this summer until he pukes at least 7 times, etc. But not sure you throw a kid away for receiving something he may have had no way of knowing was stolen. The weed part was stupid, but we're all kidding ourselves if we don't believe the vast majority of our players and every other team's players smoke up on occasion. It's part of our culture now, and especially the young, black male culture. The fact that it's legal in some states just normalizes it further. It is what it is, but if you start kicking players off for smoking, you won't have a team.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:29 pm to JustGetItRight
We choose how we want to live our lives no matter what that may entail. It might require the possession of a firearm for purposes of work, location, or a large number of agreeable reasons, but if someone feels driving around in a car with a stolen gun and drugs is the life they want outstanding but they should not be a part of this team.
I can pull up probably hundreds of threads where UA fans have criticized other fan bases for their players doing the same, but you want to defend it so be it.
I am not referring to the many that own a gun like myself but to the ones that do it in a manner like these two did acting with poor judgement. You can interpret that all you want if it makes you feel better at the end of day.
What really baffles me are the people that are quick to blame ignorance for their actions or use a reference that does not exist. Please share with me a link where it states in the Constitution about gun sales private or not. The only thing I am familiar with in the Constitution regarding guns is the 2nd amendment. Which for the record does not grant me the right to bear arms. It prevents the government from infringing on my right to possess a gun. No where have I said no one should not own a gun nor did I disagree with the Constitution.
Please share your wisdom here with a link because I would enjoy reading it.
I can pull up probably hundreds of threads where UA fans have criticized other fan bases for their players doing the same, but you want to defend it so be it.
I am not referring to the many that own a gun like myself but to the ones that do it in a manner like these two did acting with poor judgement. You can interpret that all you want if it makes you feel better at the end of day.
What really baffles me are the people that are quick to blame ignorance for their actions or use a reference that does not exist. Please share with me a link where it states in the Constitution about gun sales private or not. The only thing I am familiar with in the Constitution regarding guns is the 2nd amendment. Which for the record does not grant me the right to bear arms. It prevents the government from infringing on my right to possess a gun. No where have I said no one should not own a gun nor did I disagree with the Constitution.
Please share your wisdom here with a link because I would enjoy reading it.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:01 pm to TideWarrior
Private gun sales may not be in the constitution, but they are legal in most states. I recently purchased a gun from a friend. He builds guns so I have every reason to believe it was a legal purchase under state law. There however exists a very small chance that he stole the gun and sold it to me. Should I go to jail for someone else's crime when it's legal for me to do exactly as I did? Is it a law to get every private gun sale checked at a police station? If not, why penalize for something that was legal? Rather, penalize the person who stole it in the first place...that's the criminal.
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