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re: Robinson-Jones; legal perspective
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:53 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:53 pm to TideWarrior
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What really baffles me are the people that are quick to blame ignorance for their actions or use a reference that does not exist. Please share with me a link where it states in the Constitution about gun sales private or not. The only thing I am familiar with in the Constitution regarding guns is the 2nd amendment. Which for the record does not grant me the right to bear arms. It prevents the government from infringing on my right to possess a gun.
Oh dear. Please tell me you seriously didn't just type this sentence.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
That's the second amendment in it's entirety. What part of keep and bear is hard to understand?
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:12 pm to TideWarrior
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TideWarrior
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Please share with me a link where it states in the Constitution about gun sales private or not. The only thing I am familiar with in the Constitution regarding guns is the 2nd amendment. Which for the record does not grant me the right to bear arms. It prevents the government from infringing on my right to possess a gun. No where have I said no one should not own a gun nor did I disagree with the Constitution.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:14 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:17 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:33 pm to TideWarrior
And to address your utterly ignorant post:
Yes, it would be difficult to provide a link to the Constitution's declaration on arms bearing.
a·mend·ment
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noun
a minor change in a document.
a change or addition to a legal or statutory document.
"an amendment to existing bail laws"
an article added to the US Constitution.
noun: Amendment; plural noun: Amendments
"the First Amendment"
Yes, it would be difficult to provide a link to the Constitution's declaration on arms bearing.
a·mend·ment
?'men(d)m?nt/Submit
noun
a minor change in a document.
a change or addition to a legal or statutory document.
"an amendment to existing bail laws"
an article added to the US Constitution.
noun: Amendment; plural noun: Amendments
"the First Amendment"
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:37 pm to CrimsonTideMD
However, you will find it in the "Bill of rights"
Though not within the original Constitutional writs, some red blooded Americans do-nonetheless-hold them dearly
Though not within the original Constitutional writs, some red blooded Americans do-nonetheless-hold them dearly
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:36 pm to CrimsonTideMD
I am the ignorant one because I asked someone to link something they stated as a fact, but yet they can not. Some of you just want to argue for no reason.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:44 pm to TideWarrior
Bless your heart, Tide Warrior.
You asked
And I answered you honestly.
It's stated very clearly in the 2nd Amendment TO THE CONSTITUTION.
ie not the original constitution
ie The Bill of Rights.
FFS just don't roll over to the poli board throttling at this level of retardation. Theyll tear you apart.
You asked
quote:
Please share with me a link where it states in the Constitution about gun sales private or not.
And I answered you honestly.
It's stated very clearly in the 2nd Amendment TO THE CONSTITUTION.
ie not the original constitution
ie The Bill of Rights.
FFS just don't roll over to the poli board throttling at this level of retardation. Theyll tear you apart.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:03 pm to JustGetItRight
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Oh dear. Please tell me you seriously didn't just type this sentence.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Oh dear another one of those with little understanding of our 2nd amendment.
I do not mind an open debate but if you can not comprehend or understand what the 2nd amendment actually means or the purpose of the Bill of Rights no need to discuss it at this point.
The 2nd amendment was created to eliminate the government from having the authority to prevent(infringe) on our right to bear arms which under British law(common law) the government had the authority to prevent or restrict. If you support the individual rights theory which is what the NRA advocates but maybe none of you support the NRA that are arguing with me because you would already understand this. The founding fathers believed that we as people are born with certain rights(certain unalienable Rights)and that the Bill of Rights laid out those rights and prevented the government from infringing on those rights by not giving the government the authority to do so. Hence why they are called amendments because the founding fathers believed the Constitution gave to much power to the government and would enable them to infringe on certain rights.
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During the debate over the ratification of the Constitution, there was significant concern that a strong federal government would trample on the individual rights of citizens--as had happened under British rule. To protect the basic rights of Americans--rights which each person possesses and that are guaranteed, but not granted, by any government--the framers added the first ten amendments to the Constitution as a package. Those amendments have come to be known as the Bill of Rights. They represent the fundamental freedoms that are at the heart of our society, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
The bold part shall not be infringed upon or grant the government the authority. Not sure why that is hard to understand.
Maybe you disagree with the NRA and do not support the individual rights theory and it seems that may be the case here. Maybe you support the collective rights theory. Either way some of you seem confused on the wording and what it means.
For my references directly from the NRA site here is a link. Enjoy the read.
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Remember any power giving to the government that can grant us some right also allows the government to take that right away or limit it. Which has been the center of the debate for many organizations like the NRA, Supreme Court, and anyone who believes that we are born with certain rights given to us by our creator and not by a government. This is what the founding fathers believed and why the Bills of Rights was created.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:03 pm to CrimsonTideMD
Bless your heart because you may need a hug when this is over.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 5:55 pm to TideWarrior
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I can pull up probably hundreds of threads where UA fans have criticized other fan bases for their players doing the same, but you want to defend it so be it.
So fricking what? Because some people were trolling others, I've for some reason got to change my mind on a topic to some anal level?
You serious?
Posted on 5/25/16 at 6:02 pm to TideWarrior
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The founding fathers believed that we as people are born with certain rights(certain unalienable Rights)and that the Bill of Rights laid out those rights and prevented the government from infringing on those rights by not giving the government the authority to do so. Hence why they are called amendments because the founding fathers believed the Constitution gave to much power to the government and would enable them to infringe on certain rights.
The constitution is a document of limited government, not limited rights as you are trying to say here.
The government is supposed to only be allowed to do the things specifically listed in the constitution as per the 9th and 10th amendments which pass anything not listed down to the state governments and the individuals themselves.
As our country was founded as a republic, the states are the ones who held the majority of power when it came to domestic law. Even today that is actually still the case as each state makes it's own laws regarding these things.
The 2nd amendment protects these things, I have no idea what kind of argument you are trying to make.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 7:59 pm to TideWarrior
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The only thing I am familiar with in the Constitution regarding guns is the 2nd amendment. Which for the record does not grant me the right to bear arms. It prevents the government from infringing on my right to possess a gun.
So the 19th Amendment did not grant women the right to vote, it simply prevents the government from infringing on that right???
Your semantics are silly bro.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 8:47 pm to 3down10
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The constitution is a document of limited government, not limited rights as you are trying to say here.
Actually not trying to say that at all. The Constitution was created to protect our rights that we already had or as the founding fathers said certain unalienable rights. They wanted to ensure the new government had no authority to remove those rights. Specifically those in the Bill of Rights because under English Law they were granted which means they could be infringed upon. Remember part of the reason we went to war is these founders believed their civil rights were already violated and wanted to ensure these did not under the new government. Why they were added and debated about to be added to the Constitution. Actually there were originally 12 amendments submitted but the first two did not receive enough votes hence why we have 10 in the original Bill of Rights.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 8:55 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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Your semantics are silly bro.
You seem lost and your logic is somewhat off here. The original Bill of Rights was designed to protect specific rights from the government having authority over them. They did not grant any right but prohibited the government from infringing on those rights. The 1st states prohibits any law that would prevent, infringe, impede, etc. our right to speech, religion, etc.
The later 11 on were different and not all were designed to give us rights. The 14th took away rights from anyone serving in the Confederate Army during the war or anyone they could prove supported it. But Reconstruction is another topic. I guess the government prohibiting alcohol with the 18th is a right granted somehow.
Maybe you support Obama since it was one of his people they said it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes and why you believe since an amendment grants us a right you have no issue with the 16th that gives the government the right to impose a federal income tax. Great logic or as you would say semantics.
If you are going to argue sometimes fact helps with your opinion unless you believe your opinion is the gospel.
This post was edited on 5/25/16 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:52 pm to 3down10
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the states are the ones who held the majority of power when it came to domestic law. Even today that is actually still the case
Negative.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:34 am to TideWarrior
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Actually not trying to say that at all. The Constitution was created to protect our rights that we already had or as the founding fathers said certain unalienable rights. They wanted to ensure the new government had no authority to remove those rights. Specifically those in the Bill of Rights because under English Law they were granted which means they could be infringed upon. Remember part of the reason we went to war is these founders believed their civil rights were already violated and wanted to ensure these did not under the new government. Why they were added and debated about to be added to the Constitution. Actually there were originally 12 amendments submitted but the first two did not receive enough votes hence why we have 10 in the original Bill of Rights.
Some people didn't want to list any rights at all, for fear the people would one day be reduced to only them. Another side wanted the most basic of rights listed as a protection for it.
Both sides had very valid points and the solution to the problem was the 9th and 10th amendments.
Not that the constitution actually has meaning anymore.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 8:37 pm to 3down10
So do we think Robinson will be okay? Not gonna read all of the legal jargon.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:33 am to alabamabuckeye
Well the last two pages are just a standard, pointless internet argument on what the second amendment means and the best way to interpret it.
But to answer your questions nobody in here knows.
But to answer your questions nobody in here knows.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 3:26 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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Well the last two pages are just a standard, pointless internet argument on what the second amendment means and the best way to interpret it.
But to answer your questions nobody in here knows.
^this
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