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Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:00 pm to ArabianKnight
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:00 pm to ArabianKnight
He (Saban) even went on later in the presser to talk about how Diggs struggled once the team started putting in the game plan because he started seeing formations that he didn't know how to adjust to. If it can be that difficult for a kid playing DB, imagine what its like for a kid playing QB.
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Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:00 pm to YStar
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If he had that kind of attitude? What attitude? When Coker transferred to Alabama did you as well think he had some kind of attitude?
The attitude of thinking he is behind Barnett and he should transfer before even making it to September of his Freshman season.
Coker GRADUATED from Florida State. He didn't quit when Jameis won the job. He stayed there for two years as his backup.
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Who could blame him for not wanting to waste time?
So transferring to another Power 5 school, and sitting out, wouldn't be wasting time? Going to JUCO wouldn't be wasting time?
How bout we just let the season play itself out before we start this transfer nonsense.
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He was the best player not just in media viewing periods but in scrimmage. Now you guys want to bend reality like literally every person with access to the team wasn't raving about the kid... even the relatives of the players were!
Which one of these spectators and relatives is being paid $8 million to coach the team this season? How many have watched every single practice during this camp?
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Who wants to bet this may be even more confusing for the team than it is for the fans???
Why? Because Saban is going to play the guy who he thinks gives the team the best chance to win?
I get you like Hurts. I do too. Him not being named the starter 5 days before the game starts is no reason to lose your shite though.
It'll all work out in the end.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:02 pm to YStar
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but but seniority. With QBs always seniority.
Was Saban not right in starting Blake Sims in 2014? How about Coker last year?
Jesus Christ dude. Going with the upperclassman netted us two SEC Championships, two playoff appearances and a national championship.
What the frick else do you want?
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:04 pm to Herman Frisco
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Last week it was reported that Saban met with some reporters after his normal presser and made the offhand remark about the Qbs order that Hurts would be the other coach and the teams choice to start.
Got a link?
I saw where it was reported (by Boz, IIRC) that he said "if Lane had his way, we'd start the young guy because he has the most up side".
If that's what you're talking about, well, we all assumed he meant Hurts because of the scrimmage but it is worth pointing out that Barnett is in fact younger than Bateman and could well have been the one Saban meant.
I don't know, but as you said by Sunday morning we'll all know a lot more.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:08 pm to JustGetItRight
Yeah, he could have meant Blake, who knows. The mystery of the process. Hopefully we look good Saturday.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:10 pm to CrimsonBoz
This thread has become very entertaining.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:11 pm to CrimsonBoz
I think the biggest difference with Bateman as opposed to Coker or even Blake is that a lot of people were under the impression that those guys had raw talent that could hopefully be molded and matured throughout the season (which it was). I think most people think (rightly or wrongly) that Bateman kind of is who he is, and that his arm talent isn't going to get better no matter what Kiffin does. And, because of that, it could be a liability against stout defenses.
Who knows if any of that is true, but I think that's where the "not Bateman" mindset comes from.
Who knows if any of that is true, but I think that's where the "not Bateman" mindset comes from.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:19 pm to TideWarrior
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If this true do you think they would allow Bateman to start if he could not run the scheme? Serious question for your opinion.
Unless I'm mistaken, folks on here were talking about Bateman's long ball fluttering or "unraveling". All the way back to McCarron, the deep ball broke some games open for the offense. If his deep ball is suspect and with inexperienced RBs, I would think the defenses will force him to throw a few deep ones to prove it's available. If it's not, they will just tighten the screws near the LOS and try to shut down the short game. JMHO.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:19 pm to ArabianKnight
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struggled once the team started putting in the game plan because he started seeing formations that he didn't know how to adjust to
I have a copy of the 2003 LSU defensive playbook in a binder at home. It is about 3-4 inches thick. Likely 250+ pages. it covers everything from blitzes, coverages, and what to do by play-call by formation (and how to use their color coded audible system when the formation changes based on motion).
It would be extremely difficult to grasp that quickly as an 18 year old whose HS playbook was likely 10-15 pages thick.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:21 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I know Bozeman has spent time at Center previously and obviously Pierschbacher played LG last year, but had Ross spent anytime at RG before a few days ago?
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:23 pm to remaster916
Thanks. I tend to do this when a mike is offered.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:28 pm to sarc
It's a better fit from what I understand. Bozeman has played center, Ross is a natural guard.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:29 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Bozeman has played center, Ross is a natural guard.
What is the thought on Bozeman's level of play at center? League average?
I know they think Ross can be an All-Conference type at guard.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:36 pm to CrimsonBoz
Exactly. The point isn't that he wasn't labeled starter. Sanan would never do that. Ever.
The point is he had been completely removed out of consideration even though everyone with s brain around the program, players and coaches included raved about how he had been the best performer.
Heck of a reward for a guy who came in as a freshman, did everything that was asked and was the best if not one of the best.
Not a great recruiting tool.
The point is he had been completely removed out of consideration even though everyone with s brain around the program, players and coaches included raved about how he had been the best performer.
Heck of a reward for a guy who came in as a freshman, did everything that was asked and was the best if not one of the best.
Not a great recruiting tool.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:36 pm to sarc
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Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:44 pm to YStar
All we can really do is speculate. I know from listening to his PC's for years that CNS really, really stresses consistency and not making mental errors. Those are areas that typically lend themselves to time in the system. My guess is that despite all the reports about Hurts' superior talent and performance, he's behind CB and BB in terms of consistency and avoiding mental errors. I don't know that's the case but it's apparent that those are the traits that CNS values above all others. That said, I don't think he trots out a QB who's incapable of throwing a deep ball regardless of how consistent he is. That, along with the fact that I've seen CB throw many deep balls over the years, lead me to believe that he's capable.
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Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:48 pm to phil4bama
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frick Bateman
We have the best fans
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:53 pm to sarc
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he's behind BB in terms of consistency and avoiding mental errors.
I am wondering where though? Scrimmage certainly did not display that. He threw a pick just last week in the 7 v 7 and 11 v 11. But hey let's see what happens, I hope we have a good one in there somewhere I'd love to see it.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:55 pm to phil4bama
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Well I know I'm pissed. I want to hear Boz's take on this. I don't give a shite if Hurts doesn't know all 250 pages of the playbook. Our scheme didn't win us 4 nattys, our talent did. You might can make that argument on defense but on offense, Saban will keep it as vanilla as he can. So why not start the most talented guy? frick Bateman, the guy won't run when he should and can't run the entire offense because he doesn't have the arm to. Yeah, this board is going to lose their shite when Bateman and the offense stalls out so they bring in BB8 and he promptly shits his pants and throws a pick 6. Do you blame them? Meanwhile, the most talented guy who by all accounts won over the team is standing on the sidelines carrying a clipboard. What do you think that will do for the teams' psyche? You do the smart thing and water down the offense for the stud kid and gradually feed him more over the season as he digests it. Go ahead, flame away, Saban is God and never fricks up. He never changes his stubborn arse ways either, even when he gets shown up. The guy is one of the top football coaches ever but he does have blind spots and QB play has always been one of them. He never plays the young guys, even in blowouts then he says he can't start the most talented guy because of inexperience. DUH!! Rant over.
And if Saban trotted a true freshman out there and lost the game when he threw two pick sixes because he didn't recognize the coverages, you'd all be happy, I'm sure. Let's throw away a TEAM full of talent so that we can get the dynamic QB in there before he's ready.
When Saban stops winning NC's at an unprecedented rate, then you can criticize his methods. Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:57 pm to phil4bama
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Our scheme didn't win us 4 nattys, our talent did.
First of all, it was a combination of the two, not one or the other.
Secondly, it's worth noting that the people who get paid to evaluate talent by recruiting services, as opposed to message board wanna-be talent scouts (myself included), ranked them:
Barnett
Bateman
Hurts
That might not be the true order but I don't believe there is as much of a talent gap as some people believe.
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