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re: My view on our offense.....
Posted on 10/13/15 at 12:03 am to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 10/13/15 at 12:03 am to Funky Tide 8
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I feel the same way. I hate to think that we are all seeing something that the coaches aren't-we probably aren't-but shite, I would love to see us go under center more.
I completely agree. Mainly because Henry could be so much more effective. And that's scary to think about.
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Posted on 10/13/15 at 7:32 am to LukeSidewalker
Henry needs as much room as possible to get momentum before he's touched. Getting him closer to the line of scrimmage won't help
Posted on 10/13/15 at 8:19 am to WW
I disagree. He gets going really fast pretty quick. It's when he is having to dodge defenders behind the los, and by that time the other teams whole defense is gang tackling him.
I can't tell you how many time there have been least 4 or 5 defenders in the backfield past any blockers by the time the whistle is blown.
I can't tell you how many time there have been least 4 or 5 defenders in the backfield past any blockers by the time the whistle is blown.
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 8:21 am
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:22 am to Funky Tide 8
main issue is the OL. If they play very well, everything else starts to click. Cristobal needs to get his crap together or be gone. It's not enough to be a great recruiter if you can't put together a good product on the field.
Coker is fine, he just needs to learn not to throw deep balls as he is getting hit. About half of his picks are him doing exactly that.
Kiffin tends to get too pass happy when the run game is working which is frustrating. He also tends to like long developing pass plays down the field even when our QB is getting killed in the pocket instead of short rollouts, screens, slants, etc which just boggle my mind. That said, he usually pulls out a few brilliant calls a game so I can forgive him for now. But Saban needs to keep a tight leash on him when the run game is working well.
Bottom line get our OL to start playing up their talent instead of like a Vandy level OL and we will be fine.
Coker is fine, he just needs to learn not to throw deep balls as he is getting hit. About half of his picks are him doing exactly that.
Kiffin tends to get too pass happy when the run game is working which is frustrating. He also tends to like long developing pass plays down the field even when our QB is getting killed in the pocket instead of short rollouts, screens, slants, etc which just boggle my mind. That said, he usually pulls out a few brilliant calls a game so I can forgive him for now. But Saban needs to keep a tight leash on him when the run game is working well.
Bottom line get our OL to start playing up their talent instead of like a Vandy level OL and we will be fine.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:14 pm to LukeSidewalker
Bump. Ever since the 4th quarter of the Tennessee game we have been coming out from under center. Henry has benefited from this, our oline has benefited from this, our d has benefited from this and our fan base has benefited from this. We finally went back to Bama football and I love it. Proving what I said to be completely true. We don't need Kiffin.
I know I said we need more iformation, but I was just trying to say we need more under center play. So nitpick away, but you know I'm right.
And if you like Christian rap, look up Andy Mineo and listen to, you know that's right, and think of your boy luke. Love you guys. :)
I know I said we need more iformation, but I was just trying to say we need more under center play. So nitpick away, but you know I'm right.
And if you like Christian rap, look up Andy Mineo and listen to, you know that's right, and think of your boy luke. Love you guys. :)
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:25 pm to LukeSidewalker
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And if you like Christian rap
What a weird plug.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:42 pm to LukeSidewalker
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Ever since the 4th quarter of the Tennessee game we have been coming out from under center.
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Proving what I said to be completely true.
Prior to the Tennessee game, say through the end of the Texas A&M game, we were under center in 19.2% of all of our plays for the season. Through the Auburn game, we were under center for 21.3% of all of our plays for the season. I'm not seeing this huge shift to playing under center you think we had.
Source: Roll Bama Roll's charting of the Tide's offensive plays.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:46 pm to mre
When we need a drive, we come out under center. Every time.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:48 pm to LukeSidewalker
I'm finding it hard to believe that stat. What's the stat on when we run with Henry, it being from under center during those two time frames. Pre Tennessee and post.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:51 pm to LukeSidewalker
What gets me, is how many people assume Bama ran a power blocking scheme before Cristobal/Kiffin.
It isn't true.
Pendry ran a zone blocking scheme, he was the OL Coach for Shanahan in Denver. The king of zone run blocking, one cut and rb go, offenses.
Pendry built the 2012 Oline for Stoutlant. Who also ran a zone scheme.
Now, under Cristobal its more straightforward than under the last two guys for the most part. But it is still a zone.
Good grief.
I'm actually hoping Saban hires a fresh out of rehab Sarkisian to replace Lane if/when he leaves.
It isn't true.
Pendry ran a zone blocking scheme, he was the OL Coach for Shanahan in Denver. The king of zone run blocking, one cut and rb go, offenses.
Pendry built the 2012 Oline for Stoutlant. Who also ran a zone scheme.
Now, under Cristobal its more straightforward than under the last two guys for the most part. But it is still a zone.
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Why do we not run iformation? We won 3 national championships with it. Why stop now? I know we ran a ton of pistol as well, but it is also very similar to iform. I'm a pretty patient fan, but Kiffin is not needed at Alabama for any reason and should be let go at the end of this year for someone who is fimilar with championship football.
Good grief.
I'm actually hoping Saban hires a fresh out of rehab Sarkisian to replace Lane if/when he leaves.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:51 pm to LukeSidewalker
Because we also come out of shotgun a good bit, but it's only to throw a quick screen to a wr, which is used a good bit. Bottom line is Henry has been running the ball from under center way more now. When at the beginning of the season he was standing beside Coker in shotgun and taking the handoff.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:52 pm to VaBamaMan
Damn it man boy. I meant under center in general, not iformation!!!! Read the post.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:53 pm to LukeSidewalker
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Andy Mineo
Nope, I'll take Lecrae and Tedashii.
Thanks.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:58 pm to LukeSidewalker
I mean, your welcome to read them all for yourself. Just do a google search for:
In the Auburn game, we went under center 26% of the time and of those 20 plays, we were successful only 40% of the time, lower than out of the shotgun or the pistol. Interestingly enough, across the entire season our success rate was about equal for plays out of the shotgun, pistol, and from under center.
They define a successful play as "gaining 50% of required yardage on first down, 70% of required yardage on second down, and all of the required yardage on third and fourth downs — required yardage is another term for the distance required for a first down on a given play. Success rate is simply how often a team is successful."
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charting the tide 2015 rollbamaroll TEAMNAMEHERE
In the Auburn game, we went under center 26% of the time and of those 20 plays, we were successful only 40% of the time, lower than out of the shotgun or the pistol. Interestingly enough, across the entire season our success rate was about equal for plays out of the shotgun, pistol, and from under center.
They define a successful play as "gaining 50% of required yardage on first down, 70% of required yardage on second down, and all of the required yardage on third and fourth downs — required yardage is another term for the distance required for a first down on a given play. Success rate is simply how often a team is successful."
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:58 pm to LukeSidewalker
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Damn it man boy. I meant under center in general, not iformation!!!! Read the post.
The first part is directed towards the "smashmouth" idea that everyone seems to have. 2012 was so good because of talent, effort, coaching...etc, but the best attributes they had as a unit together was time played, and finesse in the zone.
Their ability to time combo blocks was unmatched. Remember the running play where 4 of them pull and form a square, giving the RB a tunnel to run through? Didn't see it in 2011 or 2013. 2012 was the only group to pull it off, and they did it magnificently.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:54 am to VaBamaMan
I've never heard of them, but I'm gonna look them up. Thanks man!!
Those stats don't tell what type of success Henry has had under center vs shotgun and that's the only stat winning us these games like we are and keeping our d fresh.
Those stats don't tell what type of success Henry has had under center vs shotgun and that's the only stat winning us these games like we are and keeping our d fresh.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:57 am to VaBamaMan
Vabama man, thanks for the artist info. And I see what you're saying about our zone blocking.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 1:56 am to LukeSidewalker
Edit: Listen to Lecrae's "After the Music Stops" album. By far his best imo, but for some reason YouTube doesn't list it as one of his albums.
Also, the song Dum Dum by Tedashii & Lecrae.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 2:05 am
Posted on 12/3/15 at 4:11 am to LukeSidewalker
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I've never heard of them
How have you heard of Andy Mineo but not Lecrae? That doesn't seem possible.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:16 am to FleshEatingSalsa
My girlfriend just told me about Andy Mineo, and I've never in my life listened to Christian rap until recently. Actually I just got back into church about a month ago. Was absent from it for about 15 years.
But I will say this, I've never felt stronger or better as a person. I would hate to say that it took woman to point me back to God, but I think it did and I'm loving it. I would like to tell everyone here that God is real.
I've always been a good person, a nice person, a sober except for weed and the occasional drink person. But Ive always felt like something was missing and I've found out that it was a real relationship with God. Ive givin up all things that alter the mind and I'm feeling great!!!
Even if my girlfriend left me today I would still feel better than ever, because now I have God and that's the most important thing a human can have. :)
Hope I didn't preach too hard. Roll Tide.
But I will say this, I've never felt stronger or better as a person. I would hate to say that it took woman to point me back to God, but I think it did and I'm loving it. I would like to tell everyone here that God is real.
I've always been a good person, a nice person, a sober except for weed and the occasional drink person. But Ive always felt like something was missing and I've found out that it was a real relationship with God. Ive givin up all things that alter the mind and I'm feeling great!!!
Even if my girlfriend left me today I would still feel better than ever, because now I have God and that's the most important thing a human can have. :)
Hope I didn't preach too hard. Roll Tide.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 6:18 am
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