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re: I see everybody ignored Ryan Kelly's performance....

Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:36 pm to
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26962 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:36 pm to
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Are you truly attempting to say the CB and safety were both on top of Ardarius?


What I'm saying is that there is nothing in the GIF that was posted to support that.

Also, what I'm saying is that the entire play was C-F' ed from start to finish.

1. Bad decision to call that play with almost 3:00 left when Coker has yet to prove that he can make that pass.

2. Kelly got his arse whipped and may be the primary reason for the INT.

3. Bad throw by Coker

4. Stewart never even looked back for the ball.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15181 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:40 pm to
I can't respond to everything, I don't have the time (or desire lol) to go over each play, so I'll respond to specific things you spoke about which I know about..

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I've seen 2 plays were the RG(1 with Taylor, one with Bozeman) misses his chip on Nkemdiche, allowing him to continue his progress before Kelly couldn't even get to Nkemdiche. They were both going to the right, with the entire line flowing in that direction.

Now I don't expect, nor should anyone else, expect Kelly, let alone any Center, to stand much of a chance against Nkemdiche with a step already up field. Nor do I expect a guard, as both Shank and Pierschbacher got beat by him 1-on-1 in the 1st half. Only guy who really didn't get embarrassed on his own was Dom Jackson, surprisingly.


If we're speaking about the same two plays, those plays he was suppose to wash his man down. The guard isn't suppose to chip because they didn't have a team block called (obviously you can see this), so at most he will step, then jab-step to put a hand on the guy then reach for his own responsibility. The jab-step and hand is just to impede slanting providing enough help for the Center to wash him down.

Kelly didn't wash him down because he stepped POORLY. This is what you didn't see. If he steps well and uses his punch, he uses Robbie's momentum and washes him down to his right. Instead he love taps him and he slides right through. Robbie never quick slanted, so that isn't an excuse, Kelly should have had his man. He didn't.

Want another example of him not stepping and punching well? Look at that gif on the first page or better yet watch the replays of the Coker bomb that got INT. He gets beat because he doesn't move his feet well then lunges with a weak punch. This is a recipe for getting easily beat and he did to our team's detriment.

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Maybe I'm wrong on the would be double team blocks, but I see R.Nkemdiche swim the RG and take a step upfield before Kelly even gets to him. This again is a 300 pound DL who has the lateral quickness of a LB.


That is no excuse. Technique always helps if not wins against speed/talent. His technique was bad hence why he was getting beat and he got beat more than twice by Robbie. He didn't move his feet well and his punch was weak. I can only remember two plays that an actual double team was called, but those are again obvious. The guard and center team blocked Robbie then the guard rubs off to the second level to seal.

I don't know why it is hard to admit Kelly was horrible. When we have a THREE year starter playing like that it is shameful. Piersbacher and Taylor weren't good either but I expect more from leaders and multiple year starters.

Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15181 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:44 pm to
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What I'm saying is that there is nothing in the GIF that was posted to support that.


Re-read my posts. How many times did I state to look a replay as well?

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Also, what I'm saying is that the entire play was C-F' ed from start to finish.

1. Bad decision to call that play with almost 3:00 left when Coker has yet to prove that he can make that pass.

2. Kelly got his arse whipped and may be the primary reason for the INT.

3. Bad throw by Coker

4. Stewart never even looked back for the ball.


Again, I stated I never liked the play. My point was to shine light on Ryan Kelly's poor performance. People are pointing out Coker's weakness (I do this all the time), people are pointing out Ardarius Stewart (I do it all the time, he is overrated and we should be using Robert Foster instead of him in those areas), but nobody is pointing out Ryan Kelly absolutely stinking it up.

If it were up to me, I'd run the ball to the left. It was where we had the most success. It felt like every time we ran it to the right Kelly would get beat anyways.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15181 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:46 pm to
I will add this. If that were Blake Sims, we'd have scored a TD.

Coker waits too damn late to throw the deep ball or stares down the receiver to attract the safety over the top.

The minute he took his pre-snap look he should have made a decision: "safety leans left, I immediate go to Ardarius deep. Instead it's like he waits for Ardarius to be about to come open or actually be open for him to throw it.


That is waiting too damn long.
Posted by Herman Frisco
Bon Secour
Member since Sep 2008
17273 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:08 pm to
Does anyone think there is a chance we see the freshman take snaps this season?
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15181 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:19 pm to
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Does anyone think there is a chance we see the freshman take snaps this season?


Barring injury? Possibly in mop up duty, because we have found our QB. We're sinking or swimming with Coker.

I believe Coker will do enough (make a ton of mistakes) and we'll find a way to win the rest of our regular season games.

Our defense is just too good. Ole Miss is a damn good team and they needed 5 turnovers, a blown OL downfield call and one of the luckiest plays of all time to beat us by six points.
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
Nick Fairley Fan Club, Founder
Member since Nov 2009
35446 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 6:10 pm to
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YStar



I will cede to you on those plays in question, though I still believe some level of hyperbole with some of the adjectives you've typed. He didn't play bad the entire game, I re-watched it just to watch the OL, but he was overmatched against Robert Nkemdiche and it resulted in plays not up to standard with a 3 year starter and a Rimington watchlist player. I have no qualm with the INT play, it was an awful attempt by Kellly to stop the stunting LE.

The entire interior underwhelmed against Ole Miss, essentially failing their 1st real test together. They stood no match for a generation talent like Nkemdiche. I still think Kelly is an very good center and one of the best pure ones to pass through, but his best wasn't good enough against Ole Miss' when it came to crunch time.

And if that middle of the line doesn't put it together, the power running game(if it still exists) isn't gonna have much to stand on...
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