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re: I see everybody ignored Ryan Kelly's performance....
Posted on 9/21/15 at 3:20 pm to YStar
Posted on 9/21/15 at 3:20 pm to YStar
You think Coker would have completed that pass? He's throwing that shite standing as flat footed as one possibly can. It was first fricking down with 2:41 left and Alabama had been destroying them. The call wasn't ideal but it's no biggie if you have a QB who isn't retarded.
Kelly's horrible "block" ruined the play. Coker deciding to throw that football was still ridiculous. You can't throw that ball with that much time left.
ETA: What makes you think Stewart beat the DB.....?
Kelly's horrible "block" ruined the play. Coker deciding to throw that football was still ridiculous. You can't throw that ball with that much time left.
ETA: What makes you think Stewart beat the DB.....?
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Posted on 9/21/15 at 3:55 pm to ReauxlTide222
Coker couldve dumped the ball to the RB for a 10+ yard gain.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 4:14 pm to Malik Agar
Idk, shite was all over the place on that play. Dumping it off would have been a tough play. Would have been awesome though. Launching the ball down the field was a horrendous mistake, however.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 4:17 pm to YStar
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Their DBs was looking back for the ball
I am pretty sure they were in a 3-deep zone on that play. I.E. playing prevent. Its why most are frustrated that we didnt hand off or run a quick screen to Henry. We weren't going to hit them deep in that situation, that's why the play-call was so frustrating...
Posted on 9/21/15 at 5:16 pm to YStar
Kelly was terrible and to think Herbie called him the best center in the country during the Wisky game. He was biting his tongue on Saturday. Nkemdiche twice was not blocked and he ended up making big plays. How do you just let him go? Kelly and Taylor had horrible games but I thought Jackson had a good game. You never heard his name called once,which is great for an OL.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 5:53 pm to ApeDeuce
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I am pretty sure they were in a 3-deep zone on that play. I.E. playing prevent.
Re-watch the film or look at that gif. They blew their coverage and Ardarius Stewart was on top of the safety.
The play was open, had Kelly actually blocked his guy, it would have been a TD. The play was called, Coker picked a open receiver. Was it the best play? Hell no. Was it the best option? Arguable. What is definite/certain is that Kelly is responsible for not doing his job when everybody else did their job and that is what costed us possession and ended up costing us our comeback.
I don't know why a handful of you can't just admit that Kelly blew it. Dude was horrible all game long and that play was the icing on the cake.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 5:58 pm to ReauxlTide222
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ETA: What makes you think Stewart beat the DB.....?
He was on top of the DB and the safety, re-watch the film. If the receiver is on top of the safety, you're beat.
He was so far ahead of the CB, the CB easily turned to catch the under thrown ball. Had the CB been level with Ardarius Stewart there is no way in hell he could have intercepted it. It would have just been an incomplete pass.
The safety was rolling to Ardarius side to provide support over the top but as you can see (when you watch it) he wasn't getting there on time.
Ardarius clearly beats them deep, the play was wide open, everything was done right except for Kelly's role which was to give his QB another second. I guess that was our luck that game.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 6:04 pm to My2Bits
Ryan Kelly's 2015 Ole Miss game is reaching Dre Kirkpatrick's 2010 USCe game level of revisionism.
As in, the most memorable play happened against him, which is being stretched into him having a terrible game throughout.
Same with Dre vs Alshon Jeffery, everyone remembers that 1 catch and associates all of Jeffery's plays going against Dre. When in actuality, Dre gave up 1 other catch on Jeffery for less than 10 yards.
I'm not saying Kelly did overly well, but take another look at the interior as a whole. #71 and #50 weren't exactly stoning guys every play either. There were some good blocks, and there were some bad ones. I saw Kelly stone Nkemdiche 1-on-1 on a passing down only a play or so after they couldn't stop him with 2 guys on a run play.
As in, the most memorable play happened against him, which is being stretched into him having a terrible game throughout.
Same with Dre vs Alshon Jeffery, everyone remembers that 1 catch and associates all of Jeffery's plays going against Dre. When in actuality, Dre gave up 1 other catch on Jeffery for less than 10 yards.
I'm not saying Kelly did overly well, but take another look at the interior as a whole. #71 and #50 weren't exactly stoning guys every play either. There were some good blocks, and there were some bad ones. I saw Kelly stone Nkemdiche 1-on-1 on a passing down only a play or so after they couldn't stop him with 2 guys on a run play.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 6:20 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Uh, no.... Ryan Kelly was destroyed many times Saturday night. At one point when they showed a replay he was using his elbows to block.
His he didn't move his feet well and didn't even wash down Robbie or the other penetrating linemen. The only time I witnessed him "stonewall" anything was when he was receiving help.
As I said in my OP, it is insulting of our intelligence to claim this was a one play thing when so many times you can watch the replays and see Kelly whiffing on block after block.
The true victims or revisionism are our secondary. They played well minus two bad plays by Cyrus (Busted coverage and TD, both by Treadwell). Those two freak plays aren't down to poor secondary play, their down to luck and poor officiating. Had Ole Miss not had that luck and the officials called the penalty on the lineman downfield, they would have thrown for 200 yards.
His he didn't move his feet well and didn't even wash down Robbie or the other penetrating linemen. The only time I witnessed him "stonewall" anything was when he was receiving help.
As I said in my OP, it is insulting of our intelligence to claim this was a one play thing when so many times you can watch the replays and see Kelly whiffing on block after block.
The true victims or revisionism are our secondary. They played well minus two bad plays by Cyrus (Busted coverage and TD, both by Treadwell). Those two freak plays aren't down to poor secondary play, their down to luck and poor officiating. Had Ole Miss not had that luck and the officials called the penalty on the lineman downfield, they would have thrown for 200 yards.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 7:50 pm to YStar
That GIF does not show conclusively that their DB was beat. It appears from that angle the DB allowed Stewart to get behind him because he was judging the ball. Another angle may prove you correct.
However, this clip does not fit the "if he's even he's leaving" scenario.
ETA: Our secondary is better than last year but still a weakness.
However, this clip does not fit the "if he's even he's leaving" scenario.
ETA: Our secondary is better than last year but still a weakness.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:09 pm to YStar
I've seen 2 plays were the RG(1 with Taylor, one with Bozeman) misses his chip on Nkemdiche, allowing him to continue his progress before Kelly couldn't even get to Nkemdiche. They were both going to the right, with the entire line flowing in that direction.
Now I don't expect, nor should anyone else, expect Kelly, let alone any Center, to stand much of a chance against Nkemdiche with a step already up field. Nor do I expect a guard, as both Shank and Pierschbacher got beat by him 1-on-1 in the 1st half. Only guy who really didn't get embarrassed on his own was Dom Jackson, surprisingly.
On their scoring drive before the have, I saw nothing bad from Kelly. He even got out in front to escort Henry on his catch and run. On the play Coker is forced to scramble, Shank Taylor let Channing Ward drive him into the backfield. making Coker take off.
What I'm seeing is that Bama once again had no answer for Denzel Nkemdiche, who knifed between gaps on pitches. Even got by Cam Robinson on a outside run.
On his 2nd forced scramble on their opening 3rd quarter drive, Kelly picks up the blitzing CJ Johnson, Derrick Henry doesn't put away the blitzing Denzel Nkemdiche, again flushing him out. Next play Dom Jackson is pushed back by NT DJ Jones, hitting Derrick Henry at the line. 4th & 9 on that drive, Fadol Brown gives Kelly some trouble, but Coker had 5 seconds before pressure got close.
On their 2nd drive at 7:50, Kelly takes R.Nkemdiche out of the play, OJ Howard loses containment on Fadol Brown, forcing Coker to throw on the run. Incomplete.
3rd drive, there was no pressure on Coker on that dropped INT intended for Ridley. Next play was a 9 yard pass to Stewart, heat by Marquis Haynes from the left only because it was a rolling play to the right. 3rd & 1, quick screen to Ridley for the 1st. Next play, huge Henry run outside left. Henry drops and easy one after, no pressure. Stewart picks up 9 on a quick pass. 3rd & 1, Kelly takes out blitzing Denzel Nkemdiche, sheds him to Pierscbacher to take Fadol Brown, Drake goes right outside for the 1st. Then proceeds to run into Brown inside after Howard not cleaning him up. Coker keeper for the TD.
3 quarters of work and I don't see anything Kelly is solely responsible for. Only 2 should be double teams that were not excuted, which were on both players. One happening with a newly inserted RG, Bradley Bozeman.
Next drive to open the 4th, NT Woodrow Hamilton cuts Henry's legs out from under him, coming off a Shank Taylor block. Dump off to Henry for 10+, moderate pressure right side from Denzel Nkemdiche. 9 yard gain by Henry, then 10+, and then a low pass for little gain. Hits Stewart for the catch and run for the score.
Drive after the Auburn-esque TD, Shank sheds R.Nkemdiche to Kelly, holds him off only to see Coker sail a deep throw. R.Nkemdiche swims Taylor, squirts by Kelly , Coker gets it off to Henry. 3rd & 5, Coker tosses an ugly INT right to the defender.
After the Treadwell TD, Bama opens up with a 6 yard run by Drake. Plenty of time to throw on the Stewart completion that got them to midfield. Misses Stewart deep, then a screen pass that fails to set up, and then Drake drops a 3rd down pass. 4th down, pressure by DeMarquis Gates not picked up by Drake, Coker evades an completes it to Mullaney.
Coker scrambles next play, was no pressure because only 3 rushed, saw no one open. Then rolls right on a pass, Drake picks up DE John Youngblood, but overshoots Mullaney. Draw to Henry, 1st down. Plenty of time, hits Mullaney for 3. Next was the call Coker/Kiffin miscommunication, goes for a Ridley screen that was shut down. 3rd & long, plenty of time, hits Howard for 10+.
Roll out right, Coker throws it away. Low snap, PI on defender covering Ridley. Henry bounces out for the score, Kelly got his leg caught under a tumbling Taylor. R.Nkemdiche swims Taylor again on the conversion, Coker misses high.
Onside kick recovered, R.Nkemdiche spins moves Shank, takes down Coker. Little pressure, completes it to Ridley. 3rd&11, all day to Mullaney for a 1st. Gain of 6 behind Kelly. Another 5-6 yards for Henry, then stopped at the line by a blitzing DeMarquis Gates. DE John Youngblood gets by Dom Jackson, Henry cleans him up, TD to Mullaney.
43-37, Dom Jackson allows Marquis Haynes to get pressure, forcing Coker to make a miracle run for the 3rd time. Next play is the play every is talking about, Kelly whiffs on Haynes coming from the stunt and lets him pressure Coker into the INT.
Prevent D rest of the way, no pressure. Bama loss.
So all and all, I saw 2 things Kelly was solely responsible for, a low snap and just getting whipped by Haynes. Maybe I'm wrong on the would be double team blocks, but I see R.Nkemdiche swim the RG and take a step upfield before Kelly even gets to him. This again is a 300 pound DL who has the lateral quickness of a LB.
I didn't see Rimington performance from Kelly, but I think Shank should shoulder more blame.
Now I don't expect, nor should anyone else, expect Kelly, let alone any Center, to stand much of a chance against Nkemdiche with a step already up field. Nor do I expect a guard, as both Shank and Pierschbacher got beat by him 1-on-1 in the 1st half. Only guy who really didn't get embarrassed on his own was Dom Jackson, surprisingly.
On their scoring drive before the have, I saw nothing bad from Kelly. He even got out in front to escort Henry on his catch and run. On the play Coker is forced to scramble, Shank Taylor let Channing Ward drive him into the backfield. making Coker take off.
What I'm seeing is that Bama once again had no answer for Denzel Nkemdiche, who knifed between gaps on pitches. Even got by Cam Robinson on a outside run.
On his 2nd forced scramble on their opening 3rd quarter drive, Kelly picks up the blitzing CJ Johnson, Derrick Henry doesn't put away the blitzing Denzel Nkemdiche, again flushing him out. Next play Dom Jackson is pushed back by NT DJ Jones, hitting Derrick Henry at the line. 4th & 9 on that drive, Fadol Brown gives Kelly some trouble, but Coker had 5 seconds before pressure got close.
On their 2nd drive at 7:50, Kelly takes R.Nkemdiche out of the play, OJ Howard loses containment on Fadol Brown, forcing Coker to throw on the run. Incomplete.
3rd drive, there was no pressure on Coker on that dropped INT intended for Ridley. Next play was a 9 yard pass to Stewart, heat by Marquis Haynes from the left only because it was a rolling play to the right. 3rd & 1, quick screen to Ridley for the 1st. Next play, huge Henry run outside left. Henry drops and easy one after, no pressure. Stewart picks up 9 on a quick pass. 3rd & 1, Kelly takes out blitzing Denzel Nkemdiche, sheds him to Pierscbacher to take Fadol Brown, Drake goes right outside for the 1st. Then proceeds to run into Brown inside after Howard not cleaning him up. Coker keeper for the TD.
3 quarters of work and I don't see anything Kelly is solely responsible for. Only 2 should be double teams that were not excuted, which were on both players. One happening with a newly inserted RG, Bradley Bozeman.
Next drive to open the 4th, NT Woodrow Hamilton cuts Henry's legs out from under him, coming off a Shank Taylor block. Dump off to Henry for 10+, moderate pressure right side from Denzel Nkemdiche. 9 yard gain by Henry, then 10+, and then a low pass for little gain. Hits Stewart for the catch and run for the score.
Drive after the Auburn-esque TD, Shank sheds R.Nkemdiche to Kelly, holds him off only to see Coker sail a deep throw. R.Nkemdiche swims Taylor, squirts by Kelly , Coker gets it off to Henry. 3rd & 5, Coker tosses an ugly INT right to the defender.
After the Treadwell TD, Bama opens up with a 6 yard run by Drake. Plenty of time to throw on the Stewart completion that got them to midfield. Misses Stewart deep, then a screen pass that fails to set up, and then Drake drops a 3rd down pass. 4th down, pressure by DeMarquis Gates not picked up by Drake, Coker evades an completes it to Mullaney.
Coker scrambles next play, was no pressure because only 3 rushed, saw no one open. Then rolls right on a pass, Drake picks up DE John Youngblood, but overshoots Mullaney. Draw to Henry, 1st down. Plenty of time, hits Mullaney for 3. Next was the call Coker/Kiffin miscommunication, goes for a Ridley screen that was shut down. 3rd & long, plenty of time, hits Howard for 10+.
Roll out right, Coker throws it away. Low snap, PI on defender covering Ridley. Henry bounces out for the score, Kelly got his leg caught under a tumbling Taylor. R.Nkemdiche swims Taylor again on the conversion, Coker misses high.
Onside kick recovered, R.Nkemdiche spins moves Shank, takes down Coker. Little pressure, completes it to Ridley. 3rd&11, all day to Mullaney for a 1st. Gain of 6 behind Kelly. Another 5-6 yards for Henry, then stopped at the line by a blitzing DeMarquis Gates. DE John Youngblood gets by Dom Jackson, Henry cleans him up, TD to Mullaney.
43-37, Dom Jackson allows Marquis Haynes to get pressure, forcing Coker to make a miracle run for the 3rd time. Next play is the play every is talking about, Kelly whiffs on Haynes coming from the stunt and lets him pressure Coker into the INT.
Prevent D rest of the way, no pressure. Bama loss.
So all and all, I saw 2 things Kelly was solely responsible for, a low snap and just getting whipped by Haynes. Maybe I'm wrong on the would be double team blocks, but I see R.Nkemdiche swim the RG and take a step upfield before Kelly even gets to him. This again is a 300 pound DL who has the lateral quickness of a LB.
I didn't see Rimington performance from Kelly, but I think Shank should shoulder more blame.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 9:44 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Damn Mag... that's what's up though, lol.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 11:09 pm to MagillaGuerilla
YStar will surely respond to that.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 11:58 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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MagillaGuerilla
All four interior linemen (Ross, Shank, Kelly and Bozeman) played like shite.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 7:35 am to MagillaGuerilla
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: MagillaGuerilla
BOOM!!!
Posted on 9/22/15 at 12:02 pm to FairhopeTider
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What is Kelly doing right here?
Getting his arse whipped.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 12:04 pm to Bama323_15
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That GIF does not show conclusively that their DB was beat. It appears from that angle the DB allowed Stewart to get behind him because he was judging the ball.
This. By the time you see the DB in the clip, he has already reacted to the ball.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 12:06 pm to YStar
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He was on top of the DB and the safety, re-watch the film. If the receiver is on top of the safety, you're beat.
We have all re-watched it. You need to. When the DB comes into the screen, he has already adjusted to the ball. You have no clue where he was relative to Stewart when the ball is released.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:19 pm to ReauxlTide222
Special teams again put us in a hole on this drive, catching the ball at the 6 instead of allowing it to bounce, they might have pinned us on the 1 or 2, but I doubt it, the guy was kicking low line drives all night.
Coker could have put the ball up quicker with more air under it, the Safety was out of place no doubt.
Coker could have put the ball up quicker with more air under it, the Safety was out of place no doubt.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:29 pm to BamaGradinTn
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We have all re-watched it. You need to. When the DB comes into the screen, he has already adjusted to the ball. You have no clue where he was relative to Stewart when the ball is released.
Re-watch the game footage. They provide replay where you can clearly see Ardarius is inside and ahead of the CB (on top of the CB) and the safety is below him attempting to get back over to provide cover but would never make it.
Are you truly attempting to say the CB and safety were both on top of Ardarius?
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