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re: Governor Robert Bentley to resign, leaving the state in Kay Ivey's hands
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:03 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:03 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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For me, though, it isn't really that our state was worse than others may have been. I'm just reflecting on the legacy of George Wallace. Even in practical terms such as business, Wallace was probably the worst thing ever to happen to the state of Alabama, and it still impacts this state, even to this day.
I'll go to my grave believing the coffee shop chatter about George Wallace and Bull Connor being the primary reasons why the Atlanta Braves are not the Birmingham Braves.
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:07 am to stomp
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I'll go to my grave believing the coffee shop chatter about George Wallace and Bull Connor being the primary reasons why the Atlanta Braves are not the Birmingham Braves.
It's more than that though.....Birmingham was based off a smokestack economy like cities such as Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh. Atlanta had a lot of companies that became global and industries in a more diversified economy on the 95 corridor. The civil rights b.s. certainly gave the city a black eye but its really more the legacy of the white power structure disengaging from city and regional issues and the black leadership that filled the vacuum being more corrupt and incompetent. As a I have said, Birmingham has more in common with Detroit or Cleveland than Atlanta.
The biggest frick-up Birmingham ever made was screwing up the opportunity to land Delta in the late 50's early 60's. Delta originally wanted to locate its hub in Birmingham and wanted tax abatements etc. Birmingham said no and Atlanta said yes and the rest is history.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:31 am to 14&Counting
quote:This is the sole reason that Birmingham is not Atlanta and the Braves aren't in B'ham.
The biggest frick-up Birmingham ever made was screwing up the opportunity to land Delta in the late 50's early 60's. Delta originally wanted to locate its hub in Birmingham and wanted tax abatements etc. Birmingham said no and Atlanta said yes and the rest is history.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 11:58 am to FairhopeTider
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We get the government we deserve. Voter turnout always sucks and we elect the biggest hacks to statewide office because they simply have an 'R' next to their name and feature a gun & Bible in their ads. I'm a Republican but I hate how all our candidates have to do is win a primary and then get assured of multiple terms. They never have to really earn their job and can count on meandering up the political ladder because the voters are lazy.
Pretty much, but it runs deeper than that. The good ol' boy network has always been in place, and will likely always be in place. The BCA runs this state, handpicks their candidates, they all follow the same blueprint you referenced, and nothing ever changes.
One of the most disgusting things in this Bentley mess is all these Republican lawmakers running to the mic to back the bus over Bentley when they were all but silent on the matter up until his resignation. Even more sickening are the House members that voted unanimously to keep Hubbard in his Speaker role proclaiming that this shows their willingness to stand up to corruption in Montgomery. Give me a freaking break. Credit at least to that moonbat Jim Ziegler for remaining consistent. He's about the only one with an R next to his name that has down there.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:49 am to The Spleen
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One of the most disgusting things in this Bentley mess is all these Republican lawmakers running to the mic to back the bus over Bentley when they were all but silent on the matter up until his resignation. Even more sickening are the House members that voted unanimously to keep Hubbard in his Speaker role proclaiming that this shows their willingness to stand up to corruption in Montgomery. Give me a freaking break. Credit at least to that moonbat Jim Ziegler for remaining consistent. He's about the only one with an R next to his name that has down there.
The sickest thing of all...
We're stuck with most of these people.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 10:34 am to stomp
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We're stuck with most of these people.
ehheh. Kind of like a bad homeowner's association. Seems no matter how many new board members, it never gets much better.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:54 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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ehheh. Kind of like a bad homeowner's association. Seems no matter how many new board members, it never gets much better.
sounds like you've landed in a shitty neighborhood.Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:32 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
John Patterson was the governor during the freedom riders events, not George wallace.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 9:40 pm to yellowhammer2098
Walt Maddox vs Tommy Tuberville would bring the Iron Bowl to the voting box. We could settle this once and for all.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:40 am to Lordofwrath88
Walt just won his mayoral re-election. He's been pretty evasive when people have asked him about running for governor. He might one day, but I don't see it being next year.
The field looks like it will be Tuberville(yuck), John Merrill(yuck), Twinkle Cavanaugh(yuck), Kay Ivey(yuck), and a few long shots. Who knows who the Dems will throw out there. I wish Chris England would run. He seems to be about the most level headed one in the legislature. A Dem winning is a LONG shot though, so it really doesn't matter.
The field looks like it will be Tuberville(yuck), John Merrill(yuck), Twinkle Cavanaugh(yuck), Kay Ivey(yuck), and a few long shots. Who knows who the Dems will throw out there. I wish Chris England would run. He seems to be about the most level headed one in the legislature. A Dem winning is a LONG shot though, so it really doesn't matter.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:11 am to The Spleen
A (D) winning just isn't happening. It would be an uphill battle anyhow but with Nancy Worley and Joe Reed in charge, they will be lucky to simply hold on to the legislative seats they already have.
Is The Tuscaloosa mayor a registered (D)? Municipal elections in Alabama are non-partisan so unless he's been active in other races is affiliation might be one of convenience which would make a run on the (R) side possible.
Also, Huntsville's mayor has said he is exploring the possibility of running. Odds are that there will be a very large field.
Oh, and you left out Jim Ziegler and Roy Moore. You can take it to the bank that both will go for the big seat in 2018.
Is The Tuscaloosa mayor a registered (D)? Municipal elections in Alabama are non-partisan so unless he's been active in other races is affiliation might be one of convenience which would make a run on the (R) side possible.
Also, Huntsville's mayor has said he is exploring the possibility of running. Odds are that there will be a very large field.
Oh, and you left out Jim Ziegler and Roy Moore. You can take it to the bank that both will go for the big seat in 2018.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:21 am to JustGetItRight
Not sure if Maddox is registered. Based on state demographics, he seems more liberal than conservative to me. Though he'd probably run as an R out of expedience. I think though that he has enough support around the state to make a push as a D.
I couldn't think of the Huntsville mayor's name. I know his name has been thrown out there. I didn't forget Ziegler or Moore. They're both just long shots. Though with a crowded field, Moore could get into a runoff where anything can happen. I think his support tops out at around 20% in a primary though.
I couldn't think of the Huntsville mayor's name. I know his name has been thrown out there. I didn't forget Ziegler or Moore. They're both just long shots. Though with a crowded field, Moore could get into a runoff where anything can happen. I think his support tops out at around 20% in a primary though.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:32 am to coachcrisp
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sounds like you've landed in a shitty neighborhood.
I live in rural area, but I've been a builder since the 1980s, and so I've built a lot of houses in a lot of complexes with homeowner's associations. I also own rental property, and some of those place have homeowner's associations. A reasonable HOA is good, since it will keep some nasty arse homeowner's from lowering everybody's property value, by trashing up the place, but a bad HOA is a pain in the arse to deal with.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:37 am to Dick Tracy
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John Patterson was the governor during the freedom riders events, not George wallace.
I didn't really say that Wallace was the governor in 1961, but I did have to look up the year. I was responding to a question of who remembers how it was "back then". Edit: But I did note that I remember the talk about the bus bombing. I didn't say I remembered it actually happening. I grew up near Calhoun County, though, and I remember a lot of hateful rednecks talking about it, even years later, as if they were proud. I think they were.
My observations about Wallace, though, stand. He was surely the guy standing in the door to prevent blacks from enrolling, though of course it was symbolic, and the symbol was hate. He was absolutely the guy that said he's never be "out****ed" again. He was the guy with the "Segregation now and forever" speech. He was the guy that could have eased racial tensions in civil rights era Alabama, rather than flaming the fires.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 10:44 am
Posted on 4/15/17 at 12:15 am to Huddie Leadbetter
He'd have "eased" himself right out of office given the views of the electorate at the time. Race relations aside, he seemed to do more for the state school, highway, and health infrastructure than most of the governors we have had since. Compared to governors like Fob James, Guy Hunt, and Bentley, he was practically a liberal.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 12:17 am to Snout Spout
It could even be said his symbolic stand prevented an uglier, more violent response to integration as occurred in Mississippi, with brick throwing and what-not.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 1:47 am to Snout Spout
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It could even be said his symbolic stand prevented an uglier, more violent response to integration as occurred in Mississippi, with brick throwing and what-not.
So it was maybe a good thing he did? His segregated stand in the doorway prevented brick throwing? Really?
This is an Alabama sports board. Could you stand before one of the black players and expect him to believe it was a good thing that George Wallace stood for segregation, attempting to prevent one of his own, because of the color of their skin, from enrolling at this school for which this player commits so much of himself? For that matter, would you even stand before Nick Saban and suggest to him it was a good thing?
People died in those civil rights protests for the greater good. A man of character at some point has to stand for what is right. Wallace, in my opinion, stood for all that was wrong.
This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 7:54 am
Posted on 4/18/17 at 8:31 am to Huddie Leadbetter
quote:Tell me about it! I've been on 2 of these association boards and totally agree, even though I've dealt with builders/homeowners that tried to occasionally bend a rule or 2.
I live in rural area, but I've been a builder since the 1980s, and so I've built a lot of houses in a lot of complexes with homeowner's associations. I also own rental property, and some of those place have homeowner's associations. A reasonable HOA is good, since it will keep some nasty arse homeowner's from lowering everybody's property value, by trashing up the place, but a bad HOA is a pain in the arse to deal with.
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 8:32 am
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:08 am to Snout Spout
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It could even be said his symbolic stand prevented an uglier, more violent response to integration as occurred in Mississippi, with brick throwing and what-not
From what I've seen, very few people on campus cared about a black person enrolling. No one was going to throw bricks.
So frick Wallace now, and frick him forever.
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 9:09 am
Posted on 4/18/17 at 10:58 am to pvilleguru
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very few people on campus cared about a black person enrolling. No one was going to throw bricks.
My uncle was a student at Bama at the time. He said they certainly weren't welcome with open arms by many on campus. Still, he said that by and large the resistance came from people that had never, and would never, set foot on a college campus. The whole thing had died down a day or two after Wallace left town and the campus went on with life for the most part.
James Hood only lasted 2 months on campus before transferring due to the treatment he reportedly received.
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