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re: Governor Robert Bentley to resign, leaving the state in Kay Ivey's hands
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:14 am to JustGetItRight
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:14 am to JustGetItRight
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State government is a poster child for ethical leadership compared to them.
In one year's time the Governor, Speaker of the House, and Supreme Court Chief Justice were all forcibly removed from office. Some poster child.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:39 am to Huddie Leadbetter
This was all about the VOTES!!! Wallace knew what the people wanted when he made "his stand". Political stunt at it's finest. Probably the best troll job of the time and the people of Alabama jumped in with both feet.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:56 am to UAgrad93
I wouldn't trust Mother Teresa if she appeared in the governors office in Montgomery. I don't think anybody will ever be able to repair the broken trust between the people of Alabama and their government. And that's why my native State will never amount to shite. And it's also a reason I left.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:58 am to UAgrad93
He gets no pass. Call it a political stunt if you want to. I call it hate.
In any event, a man that will not stand for what is right, but will encourage and incite hate, based on the color of a guy's skin, for whatever reason, is a pathetic piece of shite.
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In any event, a man that will not stand for what is right, but will encourage and incite hate, based on the color of a guy's skin, for whatever reason, is a pathetic piece of shite.
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:17 am to UAgrad93
quote:It was a promise that Wallace made to the voters during his campaign. Who is old enough to have been around and known how things actually were back then?...I was, and as always is the case, the history books paint a "not so accurate" portrait.
This was all about the VOTES!!! Wallace knew what the people wanted when he made "his stand". Political stunt at it's finest. Probably the best troll job of the time and the people of Alabama jumped in with both feet.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:22 am to phil4bama
Man you hit the nail on the head. I love Alabama but I will not move back because of the corruption in the government there. Not just the state but local too.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:35 am to TizzyT4theUofA
We get the government we deserve. Voter turnout always sucks and we elect the biggest hacks to statewide office because they simply have an 'R' next to their name and feature a gun & Bible in their ads. I'm a Republican but I hate how all our candidates have to do is win a primary and then get assured of multiple terms. They never have to really earn their job and can count on meandering up the political ladder because the voters are lazy.
When the heads of all three branches of government are removed from office because of corruption and 50% of the Governors since 1988 having some sort of corruption issue, then I ultimately lay the blame at the voters for electing these idiots.
Really want the next governor to be someone from outside Montgomery like Maddox or Battle. Hell, I'd take Tuberville over some of the clowns that could be running.
When the heads of all three branches of government are removed from office because of corruption and 50% of the Governors since 1988 having some sort of corruption issue, then I ultimately lay the blame at the voters for electing these idiots.
Really want the next governor to be someone from outside Montgomery like Maddox or Battle. Hell, I'd take Tuberville over some of the clowns that could be running.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 9:37 am
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:37 am to phil4bama
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don't think anybody will ever be able to repair the broken trust between the people of Alabama and their government. And that's why my native State will never amount to shite. And it's also a reason I left.
Yep
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:40 am to TizzyT4theUofA
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I love Alabama but I will not move back because of the corruption in the government there.
It's a shame because the state has enormous potential. I love the Alabama but moved away 17 years ago....Sadly, I just couldn't envision moving back because they are just so stuck in the past and in behaviors that get the same old results.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:43 am to coachcrisp
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Who is old enough to have been around and known how things actually were back then?.
I'm 60, so I'm old enough to remember and I do remember white and black only water fountains at the courthouse. I remember the talk about the Freedom Riders bus firebombed and attacked near Anniston. I can remember, as a child, a black man on the street would often look down and nearly always move to the side when a white man walked toward him. I remember hearing about how Wallace said he was "out****ed" once but never would be "out****ed" again. I remember moving, at 14, from a segregated school in Alabama to an integrated school in Georgia, and being ashamed, when a nice black guy asked me where I had lived, to admit I was from Alabama. It wasn't because I was ashamed of my state, but because I was ashamed of how George Wallace treated people of my new friend's color.
A good man would have been the negotiator of peace, and would have admonished firebombing buses and churches, rather than, at best, implicitly encouraging it.
Yeah. I remember those things. I'm still ashamed it happened at all.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:57 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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I'm 60, so I'm old enough to remember and I do remember white and black only water fountains at the courthouse. I remember the talk about the Freedom Riders bus firebombed and attacked near Anniston. I can remember, as a child, a black man on the street would often look down and nearly always move to the side when a white man walked toward him. I remember hearing about how Wallace said he was "out****ed" once but never would be "out****ed" again. I remember moving, at 14, from a segregated school in Alabama to an integrated school in Georgia, and being ashamed, when a nice black guy asked me where I had lived, to admit I was from Alabama. It wasn't because I was ashamed of my state, but because I was ashamed of how George Wallace treated people of my new friend's color.
A good man would have been the negotiator of peace, and would have admonished firebombing buses and churches, rather than, at best, implicitly encouraging it.
Yeah. I remember those things. I'm still ashamed it happened at all.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:16 am to Huddie Leadbetter
I can pretty much agree with most of your post, but I'm nearly 70 and remember that civil rights strife was not just a "southern" problem. The civil rights movement was really starting to take off and things were in turmoil all over the country. Everywhere from Boston to Selma experienced racial tension and rioting took place involving both sides of the dispute. Hell, Wallace was scaring the crap out of the political establishment
(until he got shot) campaigning on states rights!
No doubt that Alabama and the other southern states were the face of segregation, but the rest of the country heavily shared the problem.....
(until he got shot) campaigning on states rights!
No doubt that Alabama and the other southern states were the face of segregation, but the rest of the country heavily shared the problem.....
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:22 am to FairhopeTider
What do you guys think about Del Marsh? He's been an avid supporter of the lottery, has been outspoken about Alabama lacking a comprehensive education plan, called for Bentley to resign, and has been one of the senators that believes we should at least look at the potential of passing medical weed. The only thing I don't agree with him is he's against the historic tax credit, which has helped cities in the state (Birmingham especially) get enough funds to revitalize their downtown.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:28 am to coachcrisp
And I meant no disrespect to you when I replied to you with that rant. He's just a sore spot for me.
But yeah, some of that wasn't just a problem in Alabama. In fact, Georgia's governor, when I moved there, was Maddox, and he wasn't a heck of a lot better. The citizens of Georgia, though, recognized that his kind wasn't acceptable anymore. For whatever reason, a lot of Alabama residents defended Wallace long after his reign.
For me, though, it isn't really that our state was worse than others may have been. I'm just reflecting on the legacy of George Wallace. Even in practical terms such as business, Wallace was probably the worst thing ever to happen to the state of Alabama, and it still impacts this state, even to this day.
But yeah, some of that wasn't just a problem in Alabama. In fact, Georgia's governor, when I moved there, was Maddox, and he wasn't a heck of a lot better. The citizens of Georgia, though, recognized that his kind wasn't acceptable anymore. For whatever reason, a lot of Alabama residents defended Wallace long after his reign.
For me, though, it isn't really that our state was worse than others may have been. I'm just reflecting on the legacy of George Wallace. Even in practical terms such as business, Wallace was probably the worst thing ever to happen to the state of Alabama, and it still impacts this state, even to this day.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 10:32 am
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:09 am to Huddie Leadbetter
Old Lester was passing out axe handles during his campaign!
In my opinion, the backing of Wallace went further than integration. For a 100 years, the South had been scoffed at, made light of, and treated like second class citizens....and they were tired of it! Wallace went toe-to-toe with the political establishment of that time (usually arguing for states rights), and came away looking nothing like the ignorant, slow thinking and talking hick that the rest of the country had envisioned. The fact is, most of the political mainstream were scared to death to debate him because he had embarrassed most of those that had tried.
I completely agree that Wallace was NOT a good poster boy for the state back then, but there is no denying that he was a very intelligent person.
"...Yes, they've looked down their nose at you and me a long time. They've called us rednecks -- the Republicans and the Democrats. Well, we're going to show, there sure are a lot of rednecks in this country."
1968 ( while running as a third-party candidate )
I find it ironic that states rights have become more and more of a topic of political conversation lately.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 11:19 am
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:37 am to Huddie Leadbetter
If this is directed at me, no offense taken. My comment really meant to put across that Wallace was a true politician. He said and did things that he knew would get him elected. Was he like that personally? Probably so. I'm just saying that if he had a voting population as liberal and leftist as those in California today, he probably would've have worn tie dye shirts and smoked weed at all press conferences. He knew where the people stood and did all he could to ensure he won their votes. Like someone said earlier, A LOT of his legacy can't be put square on the shoulders of those that elected him.
Different person, but recall Siegelman running on the "lottery platform"? He won the election but lost that fight. Politicians are just crooks!!
Different person, but recall Siegelman running on the "lottery platform"? He won the election but lost that fight. Politicians are just crooks!!
Posted on 4/11/17 at 12:22 pm to UAgrad93
It wasn't "directed at" you. It was just a response to his character, or lack of it.
I have heard a few times that in the late 50s he ran for governor on a platform of integration, but I have never read that from a credible source. What I have read is that he tried to appear to be more "moderate" than he became later, when he decided that segregation now and forever was best for our state.
Was he merely an opportunistic liar? Is that the best we can say about the guy? If that's the case, then he pulled it off magnificently. The white and black only water fountains, the church bombings, the beatings, the firebombing of the buses, the standing in the doorway of UA...these things that actually happened, with regularity, made it appear that he actually did support them. He never denounced these things, and he was governor. A stroke of his pen could have changed a lot of these things, but he didn't do that. In the case of standing in the doorway of UA, to prevent blacks from enrolling, he actually took an active stance.
So if he was merely being duplicitous, to fool the white populace that were voting for him, he was successful.
I have heard a few times that in the late 50s he ran for governor on a platform of integration, but I have never read that from a credible source. What I have read is that he tried to appear to be more "moderate" than he became later, when he decided that segregation now and forever was best for our state.
Was he merely an opportunistic liar? Is that the best we can say about the guy? If that's the case, then he pulled it off magnificently. The white and black only water fountains, the church bombings, the beatings, the firebombing of the buses, the standing in the doorway of UA...these things that actually happened, with regularity, made it appear that he actually did support them. He never denounced these things, and he was governor. A stroke of his pen could have changed a lot of these things, but he didn't do that. In the case of standing in the doorway of UA, to prevent blacks from enrolling, he actually took an active stance.
So if he was merely being duplicitous, to fool the white populace that were voting for him, he was successful.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:52 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
Who are these typical voters? Somebody talking about the dems should be able to capitalize off this but they're too "progressive" for that to happen. A legit libertarian candidate would do better.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:27 pm to FairhopeTider
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I'm a Republican but I hate how all our candidates have to do is win a primary and then get assured of multiple terms.
Up until the very late 1990s/early 2000s the situation was exactly the same except the candidates simply had to win the (D) primary to get assured of multiple terms. In a handful of counties, it is still that way.
There have been very few competitive general elections in Alabama since the end of the Civil War.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:52 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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I'm 60, so I'm old enough to remember and I do remember white and black only water fountains at the courthouse. I remember the talk about the Freedom Riders bus firebombed and attacked near Anniston. I can remember, as a child, a black man on the street would often look down and nearly always move to the side when a white man walked toward him. I remember hearing about how Wallace said he was "out****ed" once but never would be "out****ed" again. I remember moving, at 14, from a segregated school in Alabama to an integrated school in Georgia, and being ashamed, when a nice black guy asked me where I had lived, to admit I was from Alabama. It wasn't because I was ashamed of my state, but because I was ashamed of how George Wallace treated people of my new friend's color.
A good man would have been the negotiator of peace, and would have admonished firebombing buses and churches, rather than, at best, implicitly encouraging it.
Yeah. I remember those things. I'm still ashamed it happened at all.
I take back everything negative I said about you.
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