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re: eddie Jackson next year

Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:35 am to
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:35 am to
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know we all saw EL get burned on several occasions, but our safety play over the top was horrible!!! Horrible I say!!!!


on many of those plays, there wasn't supposed to be any safety help. Saban puts the CBs on an island. Jackson Island got invaded several times.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 12:11 pm to
I really would love to hear an explanation for why EJ was on the field the last few games. I know in other situations we don't play guys because of experience/etc, but unless I'm blind EJ just literally could not physically run with guys. I mean, if you can't sprint with them, and the QB you are playing against can make a throw...........what exactly are thinking is going to happen?

I just don't get it.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 1:02 pm to
Truth is, Eddie about cost us the barn game. Thankfully the coaches finally pulled him and put Sylve in, and the bleeding stopped. I'm not so sure he didn't cost us the OSU game...I seem to remember him getting roasted for two deep scores in that game and we lost by 7. I believe Sylve or TB would have performed better. Water under the bridge at this point, but do not want to see that again in 2015 with such young talent on the roster at corner. Time to coach the young guys up and let em play...if that takes simplifying the scheme, so be it.
Posted by 1ManWolfPack
Member since Sep 2013
621 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 1:24 pm to
^^^^EJ also missed the tackle on that first big run vs tOSU


And from above, EJ probably help over top alot more than we think...just because the S was nowhere to be found, doesn't mean he was suppose to be there!
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 1:32 pm to
Outside of the WVU game I thought Sylve played really well. And then, a few games later realized Kevin White a freak of nature and maybe that wasn't all Sylve being terrible.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 1:49 pm to
So many interesting CB and Safety battles to play out before next season. It's anybody's guess how it plays out. To think, the only spot in the secondary that isn't up for grabs is Cyrus who was the message board whipping boy (not saying it wasn't justified) this time a year ago.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 1:53 pm to
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Outside of the WVU game I thought Sylve played really well. And then, a few games later realized Kevin White a freak of nature and maybe that wasn't all Sylve being terrible.

Agree with this. If Sylve got benched for one bad game against an elite receiver, why did EJ get so many chances after getting roasted by lesser WR's? To me, after Sylve came in and saved the day against the barn, he should have been given another chance with EJ coming off the bench as a back-up. Oh well, what do I know?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 1:59 pm to
Yep, same here.

Sylve's issues seemed to be inexperience and ball skills, though I'm not even sure it was that bad a ball skill issue as Kevin White was probably as good or better than anyone (including Coop) at overpowering DBs and catching jump balls.

Sylve ran with everyone and was always in great position.

But like you said, what do I know.
Posted by GumpDyke
Nashville
Member since Dec 2014
1128 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:36 pm to
When he fell down on that TD pass against tOSU, he should have rolled off of the field, under the bench, and stayed hidden until the game was over. Then he should have transferred to UNA.
Posted by crimsontater
Trenton GA
Member since Dec 2009
3732 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:32 pm to
i think we all want ej to get back to his old self. i know i had my doubts when he came back so quick from acl. and unfortunately those doubts came true. so if he can get back this fall and give quality play, i'd be very happy for the young man. but like others have said, why did he get hung out to dry by the coaches this year. did they have issues with sylve? brown was young and learning, so i kinda understand that, just a little tho. but sylve played hard when he was in there. so i dont understand that. unless its a rake and yeldon type thing. where drake fumbles and gets held out, yeldon fumbles and goes right back in. two different sets of standards. maybe sylve was held to a drake type standard and ej was held to a yeldon type standard. just the way i seen it.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:29 pm to
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Agree with this. If Sylve got benched for one bad game against an elite receiver, why did EJ get so many chances after getting roasted by lesser WR's? To me, after Sylve came in and saved the day against the barn, he should have been given another chance with EJ coming off the bench as a back-up. Oh well, what do I know?



Replace a few details and this is what I was saying about Cyrus Jones after 2013. I don't think y'all remember how terrible he was that year. Mike Evans ate his lunch, Cyrus was a big contributor to the Auburn loss in 2013, several other games I remember thinking all the other team had to do to win was target Cyrus. Go watch some 2013 game film, and then complain about Eddie. Cyrus Jones 2013=Eddie Jackson 2014. He even got benched for the Sooner Bowl because of his poor performance. Cyrus was terrible, but he turned it around. Will Eddie Jackson have that kind of turnaround? I think he will.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 11:30 pm
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24148 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 6:07 am to
There is a difference. Cyrus' problems were not physical, he just didn't know how to play the position correctly. Jackson's problems are mostly physical. If the speed isn't back, hell never be that impressive looking freshman.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15181 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 6:32 am to
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He's not wasted at CB IF he returns to 2013 form. Could be a 2 year starter at corner


Returns to 2013 form? Dude he played like one great full game at CB. He played a bad one and Saban yanked him.

I felt from the beginning he was a safety. He mainly played safety in high school as well.

We better move him to safety, it is also his best chance at having a longer NFL career and getting drafted higher.

Then we better start bleeding in our younger extremely talented CBs like MH and TB. Both far more talented at playing CB than Eddie Jackson.
Posted by crimsontater
Trenton GA
Member since Dec 2009
3732 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 7:36 am to
this goes along with my thoughts of different standards for different players. its ok if ej gets burned but not sylve. its ok if yeldon fumbles but not drake. its ok for christian jones to fumble punt and kick off returns, he wont be replaced.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:05 am to
quote:

Replace a few details and this is what I was saying about Cyrus Jones after 2013. I don't think y'all remember how terrible he was that year. Mike Evans ate his lunch, Cyrus was a big contributor to the Auburn loss in 2013, several other games I remember thinking all the other team had to do to win was target Cyrus. Go watch some 2013 game film, and then complain about Eddie. Cyrus Jones 2013=Eddie Jackson 2014. He even got benched for the Sooner Bowl because of his poor performance. Cyrus was terrible, but he turned it around. Will Eddie Jackson have that kind of turnaround? I think he will.

Hope you are right, but I never felt like Cyrus was that terrible outside of the TAMU game. And like others have said, he was learning a new position and showed signs he would be a good corner one day. With EJ, this is not a new position for him, I just think that after the knee injury he lost speed and couldn't physically play with fast players anymore. Will he regain that speed? Even if he does is he one of our top two options at corner? Would he help us more at safety? Those all have to be answered this off-season.

Personally I'd like to see Cyrus and TB lock the corners down with Hump/Sylve coming in as the third corner in nickel and dime. Let EJ play safety next to Geno Smith/Hootie.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22654 posts
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:41 am to
quote:

this goes along with my thoughts of different standards for different players. its ok if ej gets burned but not sylve. its ok if yeldon fumbles but not drake. its ok for christian jones to fumble punt and kick off returns, he wont be replaced.


My guess is there is more to it than is known to the public, and the staff is putting what they feel is the best for the team out there.

I don't think Saban and the staff are thinking - well this guy is better, but lets give it to this other guy anyway. I hope not.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52684 posts
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:35 am to
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but I never felt like Cyrus was that terrible outside of the TAMU game.


That's because he wasnt. Even against Evans, he wasn't in awful position, Evans just was in beast mode. He made A LOT of SEC dbs look foolish that year.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:49 am to
Yet somehow he magically got benched in 2013 at the end of the year. Yes, he was that terrible. Uzomah and Coates made him look foolish
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 2/12/15 at 9:34 am to
Reminds me of Marquis Johnson. He was beaten so regularly in '08 I had relatives who nicknamed him "Drum". But he was a completely different player in '09. It's why I never write a player off.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 2/12/15 at 10:00 am to
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Yet somehow he magically got benched in 2013 at the end of the year. Yes, he was that terrible. Uzomah and Coates made him look foolish

I don't remember all the details of that game, but auburn's offense scored a grand total of 21 points before the last illegal TD pass they had with OL blocking down the field which caused all our DB's to come up for run support. The NCAA will introduce a new rule in 2015 partially because of that play. So Cyrus and our D held one of the more prolific offenses the SEC has seen to 21 points in their house minus that garbage play. I'll take that all day over the 44 our defense and eddie gave up this year in our house.
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