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re: Could we score 70 a game this season?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:00 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:00 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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But I see no way in which he gets 1000 unless Coop goes down. If any WR is getting 1000, it's Coop. Then you gotta figure at least 400 each for White/Howard. Jones will get his too. Plus the backs.
Lets say Coker throws for 3500 yards and 25 TDs
My breakdown would be: (These are roughly speaking)
Cooper: 1000 8 TDs
Foster: 800 5 TDs
White: 500 3 TDs
Jones/Black/slot: 500 3 TDs
Howard 500 5 TDs
RBs: 300 yards 2 or 3 receiving TDs total
And thats playing 15 games. I know those stats for Coker seem steep, but thats throwing for 233 yards a game.
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:04 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I think Kiffin will run a lot more than people think...that's all carry on.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:09 am to Recruitingjunkie
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Lets say Coker throws for 3500 yards and 25 TDs
Only if we play 15 games like you said. I could see that simply because of the number of games. But at the same time even 233 seems a little steep. It is only 2 yards less per game than AJ had last year, and while he basically has the same cast + Robert Foster/Chris Black/Derrick Henry getting more reps and a bigger focus on OJ Howard, and is only minus Kevin Norwood and Kenny Bell, even if Coker gets the job that would be quite the total.
Of course I'd love for it to happen. This whole thread is talking about Saban/Kiffin opening it up and putting up big numbers, but still that does seem like an unfair expectation to put on anyone. Not that you're saying you expect it, you're just describing a scenario in which Foster get s a lot of PT and puts up good numbers.
But y'know, IF we play 15 games and the offense does get opened up a little bit...with all this talent, you'd have to figure that our QB could at least get 3000 in 15 games.
Again, it'd have to be 15 games though.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:10 am to Tide or Die87
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I think Kiffin will run a lot more than people think...that's all carry on.
Of course. Gotta feed the three headed monster.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:13 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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In the Sugar Bowl I noticed White in the slot a lot though. I think if Jones has a combination of dropping passes and continuing to dance on short throws, we could see White get in the slot and Foster take White's spot on the edge. But Jones is a guy who has earned his spot and Saban has a lot of faith in him. Even in the scenario I just described, Jones wouldn't be out for long.
I can't help but to hope for the combo of Cooper and Foster being on the field together. Foster drawing the 2nd or 3rd best DB just makes me want to see it right now. Jones does dance too much at slot and I haven't noticed any drops, so I am actually a fan of chris' hands and toughness. Not crazy about his routes, his inability to get upfield, and his lack of top end speed. Foster can fly. We all know Cooper and White can too. Those slot guys for us Jones and Black aren't as straight line fast. I think it will just depend on who we are playing when it comes down to what WRs will be out there.
Last year the starting WRs were considered Cooper, Norwood, and Jones. But those 3 plus White, Bell, and Chris Black some all played. On the stadium starting lineups they showed 5 WRs as starters lol
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:15 am to Recruitingjunkie
I think Kenny Bell getting so much PT was ultimately a mistake.
And yeah, but y'know White started every game I think. And in any sets where we only had 1 WR on the field, I'm pretty sure it was always DeAndrew White, not Cooper.
And yeah, but y'know White started every game I think. And in any sets where we only had 1 WR on the field, I'm pretty sure it was always DeAndrew White, not Cooper.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:16 am to Recruitingjunkie
It is crazy how these 5 star WRs cant pass CJ and he was recruited as a DB at first. I hope we get black more involved. I hope he has that FLA shite in him.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:18 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I expect Coker has potential to throw for more yards and TDs than AJ. I don't think he has it to be as accurate and I think he will throw a few more picks.
All I have to say about this is Kiffin > Nussmeier and skill players 2014 > 2013.
That along with a QB who moves better with a better deep ball can lead to more success by extending plays and giving the receivers more room to do their thing.
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he basically has the same cast + Robert Foster/Chris Black/Derrick Henry getting more reps and a bigger focus on OJ Howard, and is only minus Kevin Norwood and Kenny Bell, even if Coker gets the job that would be quite the total.
All I have to say about this is Kiffin > Nussmeier and skill players 2014 > 2013.
That along with a QB who moves better with a better deep ball can lead to more success by extending plays and giving the receivers more room to do their thing.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:18 am to Tide or Die87
Foster and Black will definitely get a lot of PT, but the thing is while Black may have been that 4th WR for a while, Foster has probably overtaken him. Black has come down with a case of the drops. ArDarius Stewart (probably our most underrated WR) is giving Black a strong push. I don't know that Stewart ends up on the field as much this year, but next year our slot duo of Black/Stewart will be interesting with Foster/Sims/Falkins/Ridley on the outside.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:20 am to Recruitingjunkie
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All I have to say about this is Kiffin > Nussmeier and skill players 2014 > 2013.
You're not wrong. Looking at the facts, it's actually tough to deny. It's also tough to accept.
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That along with a QB who moves better with a better deep ball can lead to more success by extending plays and giving the receivers more room to do their thing.
This is true.
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I expect Coker has potential to throw for more yards and TDs than AJ. I don't think he has it to be as accurate and I think he will throw a few more picks.
Coker hasn't won the job yet. We'll see who performs better in a live game in a few weeks. Part of me wants Sims to win because he's been all about Bama and worked his arse off. Part of me wants Coker to win because he could return next season and the 2015 team is shaping up to be stacked, I'd hate to have to break in a new QB and ruin that potential.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:22 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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I think Kenny Bell getting so much PT was ultimately a mistake.
I agree 100 percent. Saban plays seniority sometimes. Kenny was about to leave the team...
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And yeah, but y'know White started every game I think. And in any sets where we only had 1 WR on the field, I'm pretty sure it was always DeAndrew White, not Cooper.
DeAndrew White is the only receiver on our team that I think could line up and play every WR position solidly. Coop might be able to because he's a freak but Cooper is just an outside receiver period. He's the island receiver.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:26 am to Recruitingjunkie
With Coop healthy and more focused, I really do feel kinda bad for opposing DBs.
They may lose their starting job because of their inability to cover him.
Bama has the ultimate "You're screwed" offense.
Stack the box? Cooper or White will be open deep.
Play single high? Your Safety can only help with one of em, and he'll either bite on our PA or jump up to help the LB who Howard just blew past.
Wanna play two deep? Ok, one of our three studs at RB will gash your defense.
Playing two deep and Bama still passes? Now you've got em! Rush the QB! Actually you just opened up a running lane for Sims/Coker to pick up good yardage.
Ok, we'll contain! Yeah, you can't let a play last that long without one of those weapons getting open.
Fine, we'll rush, but leave a spy! So, one less guy to cover one of those studs?
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They may lose their starting job because of their inability to cover him.
Bama has the ultimate "You're screwed" offense.
Stack the box? Cooper or White will be open deep.
Play single high? Your Safety can only help with one of em, and he'll either bite on our PA or jump up to help the LB who Howard just blew past.
Wanna play two deep? Ok, one of our three studs at RB will gash your defense.
Playing two deep and Bama still passes? Now you've got em! Rush the QB! Actually you just opened up a running lane for Sims/Coker to pick up good yardage.
Ok, we'll contain! Yeah, you can't let a play last that long without one of those weapons getting open.
Fine, we'll rush, but leave a spy! So, one less guy to cover one of those studs?
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:26 am to Recruitingjunkie
If Coker is throwing more pics he wont have the opportunities that AJ had. That's one thing CNS wont put up with.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:27 am to Tide or Die87
True, but ultimately Coker and Sims both are probably good for 7-10 INTs this year, for whoever starts of course.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:29 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Coker hasn't won the job yet. We'll see who performs better in a live game in a few weeks. Part of me wants Sims to win because he's been all about Bama and worked his arse off. Part of me wants Coker to win because he could return next season and the 2015 team is shaping up to be stacked, I'd hate to have to break in a new QB and ruin that potential.
We almost went an entire post without disagreeing
Ok guys look. Can you honestly see yourself in the stadium or watching the game on TV and feel comfortable watching Blake Sims behind center throwing 25 passes a game? I for one won't be able to watch when we play AU and LSU and UF. He just isn't natural. Picture this too. Throw Blake Sims in THE DRIVE at Death Valley. I don't want to picture it lol. Throw in Coker and I feel a lot better just by watching him spin it in practice. I am willing to ban bet that Coker is Alabama's starting QB by the Florida game and the only time Blake will be out there with the 1's is if we co-start them vs WVU and the cupcakes. I love Blake Sims as a person and a teammate. I don't love him as the QuarterBack for THE UNIVERSITY OF ALAfrickINBAMA lol
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:36 am to Tide or Die87
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If Coker is throwing more pics he wont have the opportunities that AJ had. That's one thing CNS wont put up with.
True, but it also has a lot to do with the confidence the QB has. In 2011 AJ wasn't throwing a lot of picks, but he also wasn't throwing a lot of passes. It came to a point where Saban basically forced AJ to win a game on his own (I believe it was the Vandy game). Saban is not afraid to make a QB prove a point and develop the belief that the QB can come through later on when he really needs him too.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:39 am to Recruitingjunkie
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Can you honestly see yourself in the stadium or watching the game on TV and feel comfortable watching Blake Sims behind center throwing 25 passes a game?
Based off of all the in game action I've seen from Sims? No. But Coker hasn't shown me anything else in a Crimson Tide uniform yet. If what you say is true, then against WVU we'll see that.
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I for one won't be able to watch when we play AU and LSU and UF. He just isn't natural
I do agree. Sims looks uncomfortable as a passer, Even just dropping back. Even when he doesn't run, he always looks like he wants to. But again, Coker hasn't proven anything here yet either.
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Picture this too. Throw Blake Sims in THE DRIVE at Death Valley.
I agree we lose that game, but I could say the same for most any other QB. McCarron had a level of clutch that you're just born with.
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Throw in Coker and I feel a lot better just by watching him spin it in practice.
Practice is just practice though. Sims always looks great in practice, like Phillip Sims did. But neither looked good come game time. Coker could be the same, we don't know yet.
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I am willing to ban bet that Coker is Alabama's starting QB by the Florida game
I wouldn't take that bet. Coker might be, but again, he hasn't shown anything more than Sims at this point. That is what we have WVU/Southern Miss/FAU for.
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the only time Blake will be out there with the 1's is if we co-start them vs WVU and the cupcakes
If Coker wins the job, Sims will still get a few snaps a game with the 1s running a wildcat type package he can throw or run out of, in my opinion.
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I love Blake Sims as a person and a teammate.
As do I.
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I don't love him as the QuarterBack for THE UNIVERSITY OF ALAfrickINBAMA lol
Again, based off of what we've seen in games, neither do I. But I feel the same way about Coker because I haven't seen him do anything here yet.
And there is no reason for anyone on any side of any debate to get worked up over this. I know the QB battle can be a controversial topic. I suggest everyone, no matter what, just stays cool and respects the opinion of others.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:40 am to harmonics
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True, but it also has a lot to do with the confidence the QB has. In 2011 AJ wasn't throwing a lot of picks, but he also wasn't throwing a lot of passes. It came to a point where Saban basically forced AJ to win a game on his own (I believe it was the Vandy game). Saban is not afraid to make a QB prove a point and develop the belief that the QB can come through later on when he really needs him too.
Actually, AJ threw more passes in 2011 than he did in 2012. That is also with playing 1 less game, and not even as many close games.
Last year AJ only threw 8 more passes than he did his first year. That middle year where he was 30-3 TD-INT he had his least number of attempts.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:44 am to harmonics
AJ was gun shy. AJ has never had a cannon. He has an above average arm and that was the cause of a lot of under throws and early shyness to not letting the ball go as much. Coker isn't going to be shy IMO. I think he is going to trust his arm too much and that will result in a few picks that are either overthrown or a tad off timing wise. His arm strength is the best in the SEC and maybe the country. Deep ball won't be a problem, just timing. Outside come back routes won't either, just timing. In those videos Coker and Foster hook up the most it seems on pretty patterns because Foster has the best combo of size and speed on the team. Saban isn't going to bench Coker if he throws a couple of picks. Fumbles are different because they are a lot easier to prevent. Picks aren't always the QBs fault and sometimes you have to make difficult throws and take chances to get results based off numbers.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:46 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
By the way harmonics, you're right. It was Vandy. Even though they weren't a good team, AJ was coming off of a bad game against Florida at the Swamp. Completed under 50 percent of his passes, only 5.6 YPA, and didn't have a TD.
Saban let him fling it 30 times against the Dores.
23/30 (76.7%) 237 ards (7.9 YPA) and 4 TDs
The YPA wasn't impressive, but it was solid considering we didn't really have a lot for him to throw to that year. Maze was always a tad bit overrated and AJ couldn't complete a deep pass to him because he was so short. Hanks, while a good player for us in his time here, was never really that good. White was still young, and Norwood/Jones didn't play much. Smelley and Richardson were our second and third receivers.
Saban let him fling it 30 times against the Dores.
23/30 (76.7%) 237 ards (7.9 YPA) and 4 TDs
The YPA wasn't impressive, but it was solid considering we didn't really have a lot for him to throw to that year. Maze was always a tad bit overrated and AJ couldn't complete a deep pass to him because he was so short. Hanks, while a good player for us in his time here, was never really that good. White was still young, and Norwood/Jones didn't play much. Smelley and Richardson were our second and third receivers.
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