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re: Could we score 70 a game this season?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:54 am to Recruitingjunkie
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:54 am to Recruitingjunkie
I still think I'd put Winston number one on that list. Yes, he had elite talent to throw to and an elite OL in front of him, but remember he was also only a RS Freshman and probably played tougher defenses on average than the 3 you listed ahead of him.
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:02 am to Recruitingjunkie
Interesting stat: Alabama and fsu had 1 common opponent. Auburn
McCarron: 277 yards 3 TDs
Winston: 237 yards 2 TDs he had about 150 yards going into that final drive. McCarron is also skewed with a 99 yarder. Both had 1 big passing play though.
McCarron: 277 yards 3 TDs
Winston: 237 yards 2 TDs he had about 150 yards going into that final drive. McCarron is also skewed with a 99 yarder. Both had 1 big passing play though.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:04 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
More interesting numbers:
FSU's first team offense ran approximately 58.3 plays per game.
Bama's first team offense ran approximately 53.4 plays per game.
Jameis Winston threw 27.4 pass attempts per game. Winston, Karlos Williams, Devonta Freeman, and James Wilder combined to rush for 30.9 times per game.
AJ McCarron threw 25.8 pass attempts per game. McCarron, TJ Yeldon, Kenyan Drake, Derrick Henry*, and Jalston Fowler* combined to rush for 27.6 times per game.
* = Henry's first team totals only were considered. So his runs vs Oklahoma an Chattanooga, while Fowler's runs in his first three games ere considered, when he was being ran more.
With the aforementioned increased pace (not HUNH) that Kiffin has added, Bama's first team offensive attempt numbers could reasonably increase by 4.9 a game.
Now I'm not even about to say that means Bama would produce like FSU did, because they won't. But again, fun with stats.
FSU's first team offense ran approximately 58.3 plays per game.
Bama's first team offense ran approximately 53.4 plays per game.
Jameis Winston threw 27.4 pass attempts per game. Winston, Karlos Williams, Devonta Freeman, and James Wilder combined to rush for 30.9 times per game.
AJ McCarron threw 25.8 pass attempts per game. McCarron, TJ Yeldon, Kenyan Drake, Derrick Henry*, and Jalston Fowler* combined to rush for 27.6 times per game.
* = Henry's first team totals only were considered. So his runs vs Oklahoma an Chattanooga, while Fowler's runs in his first three games ere considered, when he was being ran more.
With the aforementioned increased pace (not HUNH) that Kiffin has added, Bama's first team offensive attempt numbers could reasonably increase by 4.9 a game.
Now I'm not even about to say that means Bama would produce like FSU did, because they won't. But again, fun with stats.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:05 am to Recruitingjunkie
Probably worth mentioning that the Auburn defense had over a month to prepare for Winston.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:05 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I think Winston is good. I don't think he is as elite as people think. He will probably be a 1st rounder, barring any set backs. He looks like a moron when he runs but he's a pocket passer so whatevs. We will see how he does with just Greene and o'leary this year. Fsu is lucky they have Rudolph and ermon lane for depth and as possible step ins.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:07 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I am basing my opinion on what Kiff did at USC as an OC, with the talent he acquired. Lane is still young and has a vision for what produces offensively in a maximum capacity. Not sure what I just said, but damn it sounded poetic. 
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:09 am to harmonics
The film room will be flowing with ideas.
Saban, one of the top two coaches in CFB history.
Kiffin, one of the better (hi lurkers) offensive minds in CFB, just a shithead as a head coach.
Coker, who spent three years learning from Jimbo Fisher.
If Kiffin isn't afraid to tell Saban what he thinks will work, and if Coker earns the job and isn't afraid to go to them and say "Hey, here is what we did at FSU that worked a lot, can we try it?", then things will get interesting.
Saban, one of the top two coaches in CFB history.
Kiffin, one of the better (hi lurkers) offensive minds in CFB, just a shithead as a head coach.
Coker, who spent three years learning from Jimbo Fisher.
If Kiffin isn't afraid to tell Saban what he thinks will work, and if Coker earns the job and isn't afraid to go to them and say "Hey, here is what we did at FSU that worked a lot, can we try it?", then things will get interesting.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:11 am to Recruitingjunkie
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I think Winston is good. I don't think he is as elite as people think. He will probably be a 1st rounder, barring any set backs. He looks like a moron when he runs but he's a pocket passer so whatevs. We will see how he does with just Greene and o'leary this year. Fsu is lucky they have Rudolph and ermon lane for depth and as possible step ins.
I think they'll be fine. Greene/O'Leary have another year of experience, so they'll be better. Same with Winston. Then guys like Christian Greene/Levonte Whitfield, while they haven't shown a lot, are talented. I always maintained that Ermon Lane was the #1 WR coming out last year, and I still do. Rudolph is another guy who was really good, and I think he's gonna be a guy who is silky smooth and gets open a lot.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:12 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Kiffin
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one of the better (hi lurkers)offensive minds in CFB
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just a shithead as a head coach.
Perhaps, but he does have success. You can't ignore what he did with Tennessee in 2009 or USC in 2011.
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If Kiffin isn't afraid to tell Saban what he thinks will work
I am sure Saban is already open to this, which is why he hired Kiffin to begin with.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:15 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I think they'll slightly drop off. Their RBs are Karlos Williams, Mario pender, Ryan green, and dalvin cook. They are going to run the ball or someone is transferring as well. They won't drop off by a monumental amount but I think Winston will throw for around 3250-3500 and their rushing stats go up.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:22 am to harmonics
True, but even if Saban gave you the go ahead, wouldn't you be a little scared?
I mean I know Saban likes ideas from his supporting players, but he's pretty intimidating. I'm sure Kirby has no problem doing it, but Kirby has been with him forever. Kiffin has been here...holy shite Kiffin has been here for 7 months.
Still, I do think the move to hire Kiffin was Saban taking a look at CFB as a whole and saying that this is what needed to happen. The unbeaten team that just won a title? Y'know, in the year where you almost went from start to finish as the top team and threepeated? They were putting their stars in space. They were drawing up plays to take advantage of mismatches. They were CREATING mismatches, not hoping for them.
Saban goes and gets Kiffin because he sees a guy who can do that to some extent. You can almost tell the return will be good on that hire. Saban keeps saying the offense is further along than the defense. The players have responded well to Kiffin. They love that he's drawing up plays and concepts to get them in the best position to make big, explosive plays.
I think Kiffin is changing more than people think. Even by using a FB more, there was also talk about spread elements from some players a few months back. And speeding things up a bit.
So Saban saw what Benjamin, O'Leary, Greene, and Shaw did. He's looking out at practice and saying, we've got Amari Cooper, DeAndrew White, OJ Howard, and Christion Jones.
He saw what Williams, Freeman, and Wilder did. He's looking out and saying, we've got Yeldon, Henry, and Drake.
Y'know, a few days ago I started looking more into the FSU offense. I thought then that I certainly wasn't envious of anything FSU had. I'm gonna accept that that isn't true now. I want Saban to let Bama put up those types of numbers on offense while STILL dominating on defense. And I want Saban to look out at the rest of the country with a smile, because just when they thought they had outgrown him, he comes right back and kicks em all where it hurts.
Roll. Damn. Tide.
I mean I know Saban likes ideas from his supporting players, but he's pretty intimidating. I'm sure Kirby has no problem doing it, but Kirby has been with him forever. Kiffin has been here...holy shite Kiffin has been here for 7 months.
Still, I do think the move to hire Kiffin was Saban taking a look at CFB as a whole and saying that this is what needed to happen. The unbeaten team that just won a title? Y'know, in the year where you almost went from start to finish as the top team and threepeated? They were putting their stars in space. They were drawing up plays to take advantage of mismatches. They were CREATING mismatches, not hoping for them.
Saban goes and gets Kiffin because he sees a guy who can do that to some extent. You can almost tell the return will be good on that hire. Saban keeps saying the offense is further along than the defense. The players have responded well to Kiffin. They love that he's drawing up plays and concepts to get them in the best position to make big, explosive plays.
I think Kiffin is changing more than people think. Even by using a FB more, there was also talk about spread elements from some players a few months back. And speeding things up a bit.
So Saban saw what Benjamin, O'Leary, Greene, and Shaw did. He's looking out at practice and saying, we've got Amari Cooper, DeAndrew White, OJ Howard, and Christion Jones.
He saw what Williams, Freeman, and Wilder did. He's looking out and saying, we've got Yeldon, Henry, and Drake.
Y'know, a few days ago I started looking more into the FSU offense. I thought then that I certainly wasn't envious of anything FSU had. I'm gonna accept that that isn't true now. I want Saban to let Bama put up those types of numbers on offense while STILL dominating on defense. And I want Saban to look out at the rest of the country with a smile, because just when they thought they had outgrown him, he comes right back and kicks em all where it hurts.
Roll. Damn. Tide.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:29 am to Recruitingjunkie
FSU only had 2 yards less per game on the ground than Bama. I do think that'll go up, but I also think Jameis' run numbers may rise a bit. He isn't a Johnny Manziel or a Cam Newton running the ball, but he is a good athlete.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:34 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Matter of fact, FSU was probably the most balanced team in the nation, in some ways.
They were number 6th in total offense, number 28 in run offense, and number 14 in pass offense.
Why the big jump to 6th in total if they weren't top ten in the other two? Or even top 25 in one?
Because the 5 offenses ahead of them were ranked highly in one area and average/low in another. Oregon was the only exception, being ranked fairly high in run offense and pass offense.
BTW, FSU's 7.67 yards per play led the nation.
I was hyped for Jameis before all the dirt came out on him. I'm not high on him as a person, at all. But damnit I appreciate good football, and that kid and Jimbo came up with a master piece of offensive football.
They were number 6th in total offense, number 28 in run offense, and number 14 in pass offense.
Why the big jump to 6th in total if they weren't top ten in the other two? Or even top 25 in one?
Because the 5 offenses ahead of them were ranked highly in one area and average/low in another. Oregon was the only exception, being ranked fairly high in run offense and pass offense.
BTW, FSU's 7.67 yards per play led the nation.
I was hyped for Jameis before all the dirt came out on him. I'm not high on him as a person, at all. But damnit I appreciate good football, and that kid and Jimbo came up with a master piece of offensive football.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:35 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I'll agree to disagree on jameis' running. He looks like a duck running in mud. He isn't agile not powerful running. Or that fast lol.
In response to your weapons discussion about WRs, I can't help but to always point out that robert foster is going to blow shite up this season. People sleep on him but I'm saying it now. He could have a 1000 yard receiving year if given the snaps with cooper and white. Chris jones is the man on returns and blocking and on across the middle but foster needs to see time at WR more than he and black and Stewart. Lining foster and cooper up outside with white in the slot would be ideal to me with Howard at TE for consistent down the field passing plays.
In response to your weapons discussion about WRs, I can't help but to always point out that robert foster is going to blow shite up this season. People sleep on him but I'm saying it now. He could have a 1000 yard receiving year if given the snaps with cooper and white. Chris jones is the man on returns and blocking and on across the middle but foster needs to see time at WR more than he and black and Stewart. Lining foster and cooper up outside with white in the slot would be ideal to me with Howard at TE for consistent down the field passing plays.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:39 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Still, I do think the move to hire Kiffin was Saban taking a look at CFB as a whole and saying that this is what needed to happen. The unbeaten team that just won a title? Y'know, in the year where you almost went from start to finish as the top team and threepeated? They were putting their stars in space. They were drawing up plays to take advantage of mismatches. They were CREATING mismatches, not hoping for them.
Saban goes and gets Kiffin because he sees a guy who can do that to some extent.
Well done ABDIW. Any questions asked about the Kiffin hire are answered right here. You are wise beyond your years.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:41 am to Recruitingjunkie
I think Foster is gonna be a stud for us, I really do. But I don't know if this year will be his year. I do think he'll be the next man up at WR after Coop/White/Jones, so he'll play a lot. But I see no way in which he gets 1000 unless Coop goes down. If any WR is getting 1000, it's Coop. Then you gotta figure at least 400 each for White/Howard. Jones will get his too. Plus the backs.
In the Sugar Bowl I noticed White in the slot a lot though. I think if Jones has a combination of dropping passes and continuing to dance on short throws, we could see White get in the slot and Foster take White's spot on the edge. But Jones is a guy who has earned his spot and Saban has a lot of faith in him. Even in the scenario I just described, Jones wouldn't be out for long.
If Ty Flournoy-Smith isn't gonna get a lot of PT this year, I'd like to redshirt him. But I'm excited about the possibilities he gives us as a receiver at TE. He's not on Howard's level, but I think he could be a really good complement to Howard.
In the Sugar Bowl I noticed White in the slot a lot though. I think if Jones has a combination of dropping passes and continuing to dance on short throws, we could see White get in the slot and Foster take White's spot on the edge. But Jones is a guy who has earned his spot and Saban has a lot of faith in him. Even in the scenario I just described, Jones wouldn't be out for long.
If Ty Flournoy-Smith isn't gonna get a lot of PT this year, I'd like to redshirt him. But I'm excited about the possibilities he gives us as a receiver at TE. He's not on Howard's level, but I think he could be a really good complement to Howard.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:44 am to harmonics
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Well done ABDIW. Any questions asked about the Kiffin hire are answered right here. You are wise beyond your years.
I'll agree with anyone who says I get homerish some times (though I think most would say I've improved), but I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about more often than not.
I'm optimistic about Kiffin as our OC though. If he does work out like we're hoping, he's also one of the top recruiters in CFB. Pair that with our current staff, and it gets crazy. Maybe he will be legit and realize he's better as an OC and not HC, and then realize it doesn't get better than Bama under Saban.
But of course if he ends up sucking then be gone with him.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:52 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I think Kiffin was a home run hire and I am an the VAST minority in thinking he could......gulp.... One day be Alabama's head coach (hello lurkers) assuming he has learned from his past mistakes and has all his ducks in a row. I wouldn't have a problem with it one bit.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:57 am to harmonics
Now, I'll say this. Saban and his Process is probably the only thing that could turn Kiffin into a good head coach in the future. But I'd think Smart would be that guy, unless he left before Saban did and liked his other job enough to stay there when the spot opened.
Even then, I just don't know. He clearly wasn't ready to run a program before. Can Saban make him ready? Yeah, but I'd still have my doubts.
All I know is that if Kiffin does perform well, the quality of this staff is insane.
Saban - Best HC in the game today. Not debatable.
Smart - Best DC in CFB. Chavis has the only argument.
Kiffin - Would hopefully be one of the top OCs in at least the SEC.
Burns - Best RB coach in CFB.
Even then, I just don't know. He clearly wasn't ready to run a program before. Can Saban make him ready? Yeah, but I'd still have my doubts.
All I know is that if Kiffin does perform well, the quality of this staff is insane.
Saban - Best HC in the game today. Not debatable.
Smart - Best DC in CFB. Chavis has the only argument.
Kiffin - Would hopefully be one of the top OCs in at least the SEC.
Burns - Best RB coach in CFB.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:00 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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