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re: Could Bama still be left out with a win over MSU?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:00 am to crimsontater
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:00 am to crimsontater
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bama was 4, tcu was 30 something, but tcu has a better resume. ?????? common core math is the only explanation i got
Makes perfect sense
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:01 am to sarc
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Because right now a reasonable person could argue that we should be ranked #5. If we win out, that will no longer be the case. There are plenty of things to worry about in this world but this isn't one of them.
At the core, though, he makes a pertinent point. The committee is essentially above the law in the sense that they don't answer to anyone. Sometimes a small group can accomplish a task more efficiently than a larger one, but there's always going to be the element of oligarchy. I have no doubt the committee will be at least reasonable; nevertheless, the transition from the BCS formula to a committee-based procedural process, especially when there are only 4 teams (as opposed to the 65 in NCAACB) is roughly the equivalent of taking the word of a focus group exclusively over the market forces of the general public. The polls and computers aren't exactly populist, to be sure, but they're a damned sight more prone to correction by preponderance of sentiment than a committee is.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:26 am to randomways
Oh don't get me wrong. I've never liked the idea of a selection committee and have maintained that we should've just used BCS rankings for selecting the top 4. That said, I would put the odds if us winning out and not being in the top 4 at approximately one in a thousand.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:38 am to alabamabuckeye
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while unlikely it seems like the committee is looking for a reason to keep Bama out of the top 4. Is it possible we remain at 5 or only rise to 4 with a win over MSU?
How in the world would we be left out? Also, they aren't looking for a reason to keep Alabama out.
It makes perfect sense that they've ranked us below TCU in terms of what we have done so far. We have lost to a two-loss team, while they have lost to a one-loss higher ranked side. Last week they destroyed a one-loss Kansas State who Auburn barely beat, while we struggled (nothing wrong with this, btw) away from home to a two-loss surging LSU side.
Take off the crimson glasses and see that they are just doing their job. If they aren't bias FOR us, it doesn't mean they're AGAINST us. That's how LSU fans think about officiating, don't be like them.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:22 am to alabamabuckeye
Is this a serious thread? I assumed it was a joke, but I see a lot of serious responses.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 7:23 am
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:47 am to crimsontater
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bama was 4, tcu was 30 something, but tcu has a better resume. ?????? common core math is the only explanation i got
First of all, no way in hell Bama's SOS is #4 right now. They aren't looking at games still to be played...only games that have been played to this point. TCU had a far more impressive win than we did...beating the tar out of a higher ranked team than LSU and looking good in the process. So yeah, it absolutely makes sense for them to jump us.
But the reality is that TCU has just played their last good opponent. Their remaining 3 games are against bad teams, and they have no conference championship to play to give themselves one last boost. When we beat MSU Saturday...even if we only win 3-2...we will move back in front of them for good, as long as we don't lose again.
All of the conspiracy theories make no sense.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:49 am to YStar
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It makes perfect sense that they've ranked us below TCU in terms of what we have done so far. We have lost to a two-loss team, while they have lost to a one-loss higher ranked side. Last week they destroyed a one-loss Kansas State who Auburn barely beat, while we struggled (nothing wrong with this, btw) away from home to a two-loss surging LSU side.
Take off the crimson glasses and see that they are just doing their job. If they aren't bias FOR us, it doesn't mean they're AGAINST us. That's how LSU fans think about officiating, don't be like them.
ROTFLMAO at someone actually downvoting this. You're absolutely spot on, sir.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:49 am to BamaGradinTn
We win the SEC at 11-1 and we're 100% in regardless of what TCU or Baylor does right?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:57 am to BamaGradinTn
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ROTFLMAO at someone actually downvoting this. You're absolutely spot on, sir.
You can spot the Tidefan converts a mile away.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:58 am to alabamabuckeye
I think they're in if they win out. Just to be safe, and garner some style points, run the score up, if possible! 
Posted on 11/12/14 at 10:57 am to ChoadieMcSmalls
If there is a bias in their rankings it is against the SEC not UA. I could see them somewhat appeasing the masses outside the SEC to not have 2 teams in the top four from the SEC. TCU has done enough to keep UA( a 2nd SEC team) out of the top four. The committee also knows what we all know as well that if UA or MSU wins out we are in. They also know all of our top teams being in the west will hurt 2 teams making in.
The real concern for the SEC is if the east wins in Atlanta
The real concern for the SEC is if the east wins in Atlanta
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:41 am to TideWarrior
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TCU has done enough to keep UA( a 2nd SEC team) out of the top four.
who has TCU beaten that is still ranked, (or who has moved up in the rankings)?
I know OK has dropped out of top 25. WV has dropped out. I think KSU is ranked.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:01 pm to ChoadieMcSmalls
OK is still ranked in the coaches' poll. Minnesota is 25 in the CFP rankings. And KSU as you said. So we've both beaten 2 teams in the CFP rankings but TCU has the higher ranked win as KSU is 13 and LSU is 17
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:11 pm to sarc
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Oh don't get me wrong. I've never liked the idea of a selection committee and have maintained that we should've just used BCS rankings for selecting the top 4. That said, I would put the odds if us winning out and not being in the top 4 at approximately one in a thousand.
I don't think y'all would be left out either. But the potential is still there. Actually, the real -- as in, it could feasibly happen this season -- danger is Bama winning out, MSU winning out except for Bama, and the committee taking a hard line about whether MSU is actually worthy in spite of the evidence, simply because they don't want to rock the boat by picking two SEC teams. The BCS formula could do that, but it was a lot harder to manipulate than a small group.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:34 pm to randomways
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I don't think y'all would be left out either. But the potential is still there. Actually, the real -- as in, it could feasibly happen this season
No it isn't. Enough with this stuff, it's really ignorant.
There is no possible way they would leave us out, considering how they have ranked the teams. In fact the way they have done it, give credence to significant wins. We have two (possible three with SEC title) left. Baylor has one left. FSU has zero (hence why they dropped) and Oregon has possibly one in ASU in the championship game. TCU has zero.
Meaning TCU and FSU can go no where but down unless someone above them loses. Where as Alabama, Oregon, Baylor and ASU can move up regardless of if those in front of them lose or not. They showed this by dropping FSU for Oregon who beat a significant opposition, EVEN though FSU is undefeated.
FSU beat a weak team in Virgina. Oregon blew out a good team in Utah. They rewarded the significant victory.
They will do the same with us if we beat Moo State. We'll probably see a big leap in the ranking to #2.
This overreaction is even worse than the few who were asking if Derrick Henry was a bust.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:41 pm to YStar
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No it isn't. Enough with this stuff, it's really ignorant.
There is no possible way they would leave us out, considering how they have ranked the teams. In fact the way they have done it, give credence to significant wins. We have two (possible three with SEC title) left. Baylor has one left. FSU has zero (hence why they dropped) and Oregon has possibly one in ASU in the championship game.
You didn't read what I wrote closely. The "feasibly" part referred to something else entirely.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:43 pm to randomways
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You didn't read what I wrote closely. The "feasibly" part referred to something else entirely.
What did it refer to? How I read it, it seems you're trying to say it could feasibly happen.
I was responding to that saying; no. It couldn't and would never happen.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:56 pm to YStar
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What did it refer to? How I read it, it seems you're trying to say it could feasibly happen.
I was responding to that saying; no. It couldn't and would never happen.
It referred to the rest of the sentence, where I noted that a 1 loss MSU could be left out even if it's deserving, simply because Bama is already in and the committee doesn't want to rock the boat by having 2 SEC teams in.
"Actually, the real -- as in, it could feasibly happen this season -- danger is Bama winning out, MSU winning out except for Bama, and the committee taking a hard line about whether MSU is actually worthy in spite of the evidence, simply because they don't want to rock the boat by picking two SEC teams"
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:50 pm to randomways
Don't think anybody here cares too much about Moo State getting in.
Although, if we beat them I would love for them to.
Although, if we beat them I would love for them to.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:04 pm to YStar
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Don't think anybody here cares too much about Moo State getting in.
Although, if we beat them I would love for them to.
No, I don't imagine many of y'all do care about MSU. But on a philosophical level, you probably should because it could be y'all in the same position at some point in the future. It's all well and good if someone y'all dislike (like LSU or Auburn) suffer from that fate, but it's you'll obviously be a lot less pleased if it happens to be Bama in that position.
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