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re: Alabama Hires Patriots' TE Brian Daboll as Offensive Coordinator

Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:29 am to
Posted by Bamafan15
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:29 am to
As long as he'll RUN DA BAWL we should be fine lol
Posted by Goombaw
Kentucky
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:34 am to
People get so locked into who they think would be good that it's like they take it personally when it doesn't happen like they think it should. Then they start to bash the guy the first time something doesn't go exactly right, where if it was "their" guy they would be a lot more patient.

Embarrassingly enough, I did this when Saban was hired. Of all people, I thought Alabama should've hired Jeff Tedford (even though he was never really considered), and after Saban's first year I was all like "Uh-huh, see?"

I'm not saying Saban knows best in every situation but ultimately the team on the field is going to be his team and his teams have done pretty well for close to a decade now, even with a myriad of players and play callers.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:40 am to
Don’t look for Alabama’s offense to go back in time
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When the news that Alabama would be pursuing a new offensive coordinator broke — again — the fan base seemed to split into philosophical halves. On one side, there were those intrigued by Chip Kelly’s availability — who found Lane Kiffin’s jet sweeps endearing — really. On the other, those fans just wanted to run the damn ball in the first place and would the brain trust please go out and find somebody with the good sense to just give the ball to the running back over right guard for 60 minutes of straight football so we can get a pick six and take our 14-3 victory home, thank you very much?

As the Kelly rumors died down, because they didn’t really make any sense, the notion that Alabama would be returning to some power-run roots began to take hold, powered by the reputation that Nick Saban has for being an angry old football traditionalist who would like to give the ball to the running back over right guard, etc. Because Alabama so egregiously lost the time of possession battle in the national championship game, the legendary coach would probably be returning to the days of seven offensive linemen and might trot out the Wing-T just because, or something.

That philosophy became the premise for this Alec Shirkey column, which does an excellent job of breaking down Jalen Hurts’ strengths and weaknesses while asserting that the incoming offense coordinator is creating an even field for Alabama’s incoming freshman quarterbacks. He does this, partially, by asserting that it is a “distinct possibility Alabama will revert to a pro-style offense” under the next offensive coordinator, because two of the candidates interviewed are members of the notoriously grouchy Bill Belichick coaching tree.

But Belichick might be the coach most responsible for the rise of the spread offense, with his 2007 Patriots team sparking the modern revolution. George Godsey, one of those candidates, was with Belichick in 2012 when the Patriots ran a no-huddle offense that dominated the AFC, before Chip Kelly ever showed up and before Saban asked if no-huddle was “what we want football to be.”

No offense is more “multiple” than New England. For a decade, the Patriots have been equally comfortable with spread concepts and supposed “pro-style concepts,” shifting between them from week to week based on matchups. [Saban's current offensive philosphy]

That Saban question has been answered in the affirmative. A “pro-style” offense doesn’t mean much of anything any more. Every offense contains spread concepts — even the much-maligned Doug Nussmeier offenses, which were prolific in their own right, used spread concepts to open the field for the inside zone running game — the same blocking scheme Kiffin relied on when he asked his quarterback to turn around and hand the ball to Derrick Henry 85 times a game. There is no turning back time on this cycle in football history.

I want to be clear: Alabama will almost certainly run the ball more directly and take more snaps under center next year. Saban absolutely wanted more direct runs under Kiffin last season and, despite his play-calling under a playbook not his own, was likely to get that under Steve Sarkisian, who ran many power-run concepts at Washington. But when Sarkisian was in charge, the thought was “more direct runs while relying on many spread concepts.” It seems unlikely that Saban, who has recruited skill position players to rival the best in the country, has decided to initiate a radical offensive regression in a matter of weeks.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 1:29 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:42 am to
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:42 am to
The truth is Saban is going to someone he thinks will work whether we like or not. And no I am not one of these trust in Saban because he seems to miss more on OCs then any other staff position.

In the end we are probably not going to like who he hires and will eventually talk ourselves into it being a good hire. But lets be honest is there any OC Saban has hired we would take back because we loved how well he could call a game?
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11455 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:47 am to
It's Dabol. I just hope the guy can coach up a QB. That was my biggest hope with Sark, that he would elevate Hurts. Time will tell.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30599 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:58 am to
quote:

People get so locked into who they think would be good that it's like they take it personally when it doesn't happen like they think it should. Then they start to bash the guy the first time something doesn't go exactly right, where if it was "their" guy they would be a lot more patient.

Embarrassingly enough, I did this when Saban was hired. Of all people, I thought Alabama should've hired Jeff Tedford (even though he was never really considered), and after Saban's first year I was all like "Uh-huh, see?"

I'm not saying Saban knows best in every situation but ultimately the team on the field is going to be his team and his teams have done pretty well for close to a decade now, even with a myriad of players and play callers.



You ain't gonna get this crowd to go along with that, though. It's like they got Dr. Debakey on retainer and they use some guy that watches "General Hospital" to do their heart transplant.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21691 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:08 am to
I just hope we get away from most of that soft-arse, finesse bullshite.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15181 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:21 am to
I hope he runs something simikar to what Oklahoma does.

Their power spread to me is great to watch, fluent and flexible passing or running.
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24264 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:42 am to
I don't mind spread formation but Alabama has to be able to run the ball between the tackles consistently and win TOP. That helps the defense tremendously. Had Bama done that the second half and limited Clemson to 80 plays even Bama wins that game.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:55 am to
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Podcast: Hear how a New England Patriot reporter described Alabama OC target Brian DaBoll’s offensive mind


Thanks for the post. It excites me to think that our offensive philosophy could resemble the very efficient Patriots.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:03 am to
Y'all gonna melt if Daboll stays put and it winds up being Godsey?

Both appear to be well-equipped to orchestrate the multiple offense Saban wants.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 10:39 am
Posted by Triple Daves
ITP
Member since Sep 2016
5740 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:39 am to
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winds up being Godsey


Yes, I will melt. He's not a good player caller, has no spread experience and I have yet to see any credible, non biased people tout his offensive mind (like Daboll).

Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:53 am to
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Yes, I will melt...

It seems many of us would like Saban to pick our own favorite.

I like Jedd Fisch. If Saban had known sooner that Sark was leaving, Fisch might have wound up at Bama instead of UCLA.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 11:03 am
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
Nick Fairley Fan Club, Founder
Member since Nov 2009
35445 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:03 am to
At least in 2015, Godsey managed a competent offense with 4 different below average QBs.

Daboll hasn't exactly done that in any of his stints with his lack of QB talent.

Hell, Osweiler's 2016 under Godsey would arguably be a career best for Daboll...
Posted by Triple Daves
ITP
Member since Sep 2016
5740 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:10 am to
I'm generally pretty fine with anything he does, but these names in this search are just............

Hey, hopefully it works out. What do I know.
Posted by Triple Daves
ITP
Member since Sep 2016
5740 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:15 am to
George Godsey Offenses (Efficiency Rankings - FootballOutsiders)

2015 Houston - 24th Overall, 22nd Passing, 26th Rushing
2016 Houston - 30th Overall, 30th Passing, 27th Rushing

2016 Houston was also the most "consistent" offense in the NFL, meaning their numbers didn't fluctuate much. They also played the easiest slate of defenses in the NFL per FootballOutsiders.

Houston's offensive efficiency the 2 years before Godsey : 2013 29th, 2014 21st


Brian Daboll Offenses (Efficiency Rankings - FootballOutsiders)

2009 Cleveland - 24th Overall, 29th Passing, 12th Rushing
2010 Cleveland - 22nd Overall, 22nd Passing, 16th Rushing
2011 Miami - 20th Overall, 18th Passing, 29th Rushing
2012 Kansas City - 31st Overall, 32nd Passing, 20th Rushing

Cleveland's offensive efficiency the 2 years before and after Daboll : 2008 29th, 2009 24th, 2011 25th, 2012 27th (DaBoll was pretty much in line with his predecessor and successor)

Miami offensive efficiency year before and after : 2010 18th, 2012 22nd (DaBoll was pretty much in line with his predecessor and successor)

Kansas City offensive efficiency year before and after : 2011 29th, 2013 15th (DaBoll was pretty much in line with his predecessor and his successor got Alex Smith)
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 11:23 am
Posted by Triple Daves
ITP
Member since Sep 2016
5740 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:24 am to
In conclusion, I don't think either is a total disaster coordinator, but on the surface they are both just kind of guys.

Now, maybe that's because of where they were, their roster, they are better suited for college, etc. Maybe. Or maybe they are Brian Schottenheimer, Charlie Weiss and Bill Callahan.

Who knows.
Posted by The American Dream
Member since Feb 2017
79 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:29 am to
Any new news?
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75854 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:30 am to
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The American Dream


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