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re: Alabama Basketball: 2016 (and beyond) Recruiting
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:12 pm to VirgilCaine
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:12 pm to VirgilCaine
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Coleman couldn't, and from his tape it looks like Collins can. I think it's a significant upgrade
Last year Coleman shot 34% on 2pt FGs. Collins shot 36% against lesser talent.Most of Corban's scoring will be done from the perimeter. Highlights can make anybody look good at something they suck at.
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:13 pm to VirgilCaine
I think we will be good year 3 but I think next year will be similar to last. Hope I'm wrong.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:36 pm to Tide or Die87
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:37 pm to VirgilCaine
You guys put way too much stock into a players FR or SO years. Too critical. Look at players like Retin, Levi, Mikhail Torrence, CHUCK DAVIS, and several others. They were flat out bad when they got here but ended up being major contributors by the time they left Alabama. I think Coleman could have been that kind of player.
We need to pump the breaks with this mentality that we can scoop up one and done players like the blue bloods that can be major contributors from day one. We could get there, but not overnight.
I think our football success clouds our judgment when we are talking basketball.
With that said, we need Daniel Giddens. I've seen him play and it's just what we need.
We need to pump the breaks with this mentality that we can scoop up one and done players like the blue bloods that can be major contributors from day one. We could get there, but not overnight.
I think our football success clouds our judgment when we are talking basketball.
With that said, we need Daniel Giddens. I've seen him play and it's just what we need.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:49 pm to RedElephants
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I think our football success clouds our judgment when we are talking basketball.
Success breeds success. I don't think anyone on staff with the basketball program is striving to build a team that middles in the SEC and is a bubble/NIT team each year.
We're building for Final Four banners and National Championships. That's the goal. Will they get there this year, next year, or anytime in the foreseeable future? Probably not, but you have to start somewhere and you have to TRY.
I'm not down with the attitude that pushing for championships is "clouded judgment".
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:51 pm to Bamafan15
Nope. Alex Reese posted on twitter that he's heading to Tuscaloosa for a visit right now though.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:53 pm to Bryant91092
Ok thanks. Well Reese visiting is very good news
Posted on 5/4/16 at 5:01 pm to VirgilCaine
Of course the goal has been to put final 4 and championship banners in the rafters. It always has been...but how many are up in Coleman?
Right now, we can't criticize our players in their early years so much. I saw a lot of criticism with Coleman when he left and while he was streaky, he was asked to do too much as a PG with virtually 0 scoring threats around him. A PG cannot survive that way, especially one as small as he is.
I guess what I'm getting at is that as Bama fans, we can't hold these expectations that we should win like we do in football, especially right now. It takes time to build a great program and we will have to build with 3 and 4 year players imo. Development is key.
Right now, we can't criticize our players in their early years so much. I saw a lot of criticism with Coleman when he left and while he was streaky, he was asked to do too much as a PG with virtually 0 scoring threats around him. A PG cannot survive that way, especially one as small as he is.
I guess what I'm getting at is that as Bama fans, we can't hold these expectations that we should win like we do in football, especially right now. It takes time to build a great program and we will have to build with 3 and 4 year players imo. Development is key.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 5:17 pm to RedElephants
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I saw a lot of criticism with Coleman when he left and while he was streaky, he was asked to do too much as a PG with virtually 0 scoring threats around him.
There is a reason he transferred to Samford
I'd argue we overrate some of our guys (Norris feels like the best example), more so than underrate them
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 5:18 pm to RedElephants
It appeared to me that Coleman lost his confidence. Could he get it back? Possibly, but it's a moot point now.
The truth is we don't really know what Collins can do either. He seems to have a nice shot, which is what we need, but he also looked to have a high dribble. We'll see if he can keep up his TO/assist and TO/steal ratios in the SEC. Last year they were both pretty good.
The PG prospects for '17 look solid. I like where we are, getting guys that fill needs for next season and having the scholarship available for 2017. That's just my preference and no offense to Coleman. I also believe that Coleman and AJ Jr. probably have similar skill sets. No need to have two undersized backup PGs on the same roster right?
Anyway, I agree with the guy that says we'll be better, but so will the competition. Hopefully our improvement will show up in the win-loss column.
The truth is we don't really know what Collins can do either. He seems to have a nice shot, which is what we need, but he also looked to have a high dribble. We'll see if he can keep up his TO/assist and TO/steal ratios in the SEC. Last year they were both pretty good.
The PG prospects for '17 look solid. I like where we are, getting guys that fill needs for next season and having the scholarship available for 2017. That's just my preference and no offense to Coleman. I also believe that Coleman and AJ Jr. probably have similar skill sets. No need to have two undersized backup PGs on the same roster right?
Anyway, I agree with the guy that says we'll be better, but so will the competition. Hopefully our improvement will show up in the win-loss column.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 5:31 pm to Gongora
Yes, there's definitely a reason that Coleman transferred to Samford. He didn't really fit in as a division 1 player. He could, and has shown glimpses of it, but he would be better at a school like Samford. The spotlight is now off of him and I bet he'll get his confidence back and be a star at Samford. Some guys just aren't meant to live up to the hype they get out of high school. Coleman is an example. Kessens on the other hand, he just didn't have the talent, that's why he's going to FIU. CAJ knows what he's doing, and he knew those two weren't gonna be able to help us much this coming year and he wants us to improve.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 5:32 pm to RedElephants
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he was asked to do too much as a PG with virtually 0 scoring threats around him
This was true for everyone if Retin wasn't on the floor last year.
Look, I think Coleman was fine, but to me Collins is an upgrade at the position especially because we're talking about our backup PG.
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I guess what I'm getting at is that as Bama fans, we can't hold these expectations that we should win like we do in football, especially right now. It takes time to build a great program and we will have to build with 3 and 4 year players imo. Development is key.
I don't get why you want to compare the two at all. You're the only one bringing up the football team.
Development is key, and I think a good comparison needs to be a program like Michigan State. They recruit blue chip talent, but groom them over a number of years to build a sustainable level of success.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 6:18 pm to RTR America
Coleman was also asked to score at UA more than he would have been at other places. And also had more free looks than Collins likely had there. Avery worked magic at times last year with all the open looks we were able to get at times. Collins should shoot very well in our offense. The 3 ppg scorer Arthur Edwards averaged around double digits here. Collins should also thrive. Avery does wonders for good shooters, it appears.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 6:29 pm to RTR America
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There is a reason he transferred to Samford
If Retin left after his junior year, he would've likely been headed to a similar school. Just because someone transfers to a mid-major doesn't mean they belong there.
It's pretty harsh to judge a 5'10 PG for not living up to expectations in his first 2 years. Short PGs always have the roughest transition to the college game. I'd be surprised if Coleman didn't have a stat line of 15+ ppg and 4+ APG before the end of his career.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 6:42 pm to BigBird09
How great would it be if Alex Reese just went ahead and committed tonight? Lol. I would be so happy. That would kickstart our 2017 class the right way and other top talent would follow hopefully.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:05 pm to BigBird09
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If Retin left after his junior year, he would've likely been headed to a similar school. Just because someone transfers to a mid-major doesn't mean they belong there.
Exactly. I mean Collins transferred to Morehead after his first year at LSU.
Look, I'm not saying that Collins is a bad thing. I'm excited about the addition...but he will be here for just a single season. If you look at the stats, Coleman and Collins had nearly mirror image stats from their first 2 seasons. As a SO, Collins averaged 1 more point than Coleman playing in the OVC while JC avg'd 1 more assist while playing a min less per game.
My point is that discarding a player based on first and year stats is silly. Look at the way Jamareo Davidson improved over his tenure: he didn't have a great low post game when he got here but ended up being really good on the block and his midrange improved drastically. Who's to say JC wouldn't have improved his ability to finish at the rim?
If I have a choice between Collins in only 16-17 and Coleman for 2 more years, I go Coleman every time. Maybe that's just me, and I could be completely off here.
And for the person that said Riley Norris is overrated...maybe his play isn't the best or flashiest, but nobody on the team gives more effort than that guy.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:08 pm to Bamafan15
Read that Reese didn't wanna commit until the fall after he took a couple more visits. He clearly favors us though. It really create huge momentum if he would go ahead and be the first of a potential history altering class at Bama.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:11 pm to Th3One31
Yeah he probably won't commit until the fall, but if we make a really good impression, u never know
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:26 pm to RedElephants
I agree with q couple things besides the football stuff. You can't compare either at all. Levi wasn't bad at all when he first got here, neither was Restin, and probably not Mikhail either but Gottfried wouldn't play him.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:32 pm to Tide or Die87
You guys sound ridiculous with the Justin Coleman not being a d1 player lol. Had no improvement under Anthony Grant his first year and looked a lot different this year. I wish he would've stayed.
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