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re: After processing all that has happened... I think Bama will be much improved

Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:17 am to
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:17 am to
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DeBoer has always run the same offense


Hope he's flexible. Because opponents adjust. They figured out Mike Leach and Malzahn just fine.
Posted by PowHound
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:28 am to
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PowHound, a personal request: I know you like using "DeBear" to refer to the coach, but it's cringeworthy to me. Obviously do as you like, but I'd consider it a personal favor if you didn't.


You Not a SNL fan ? DaBears skit was an all time classic especially when Chris Farley joined the cast. Top 5 skits all time.




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assuming our experienced defenders will take a step forward is just wishful thinking, at this point, because we don't know how they'll handle learning an entirely new system.


It's more unlikely that they dont mature, learn, get better, than they for some odd reason get worse. Also, they will not be dealing with an offense that scores 24 points a game, and is able to sustain longer drives to give them a rest- I think the importance of that can't be overstated

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- Depth. Even if our starters take to the new system like ducks to water, we are dangerously thin at some positions -- notably inside linebacker. In 2019 we lost our two starting ILBs to injury before the season started, and we had to start two true freshmen. That is not a recipe for success.


I mean yeah, we've had at least 4-5 possible Championships during the CNS era derailed by injuries. Luck is always part of the equation no doubt, but that
goes for everybody so it's moot. We have so many OLB's that I think we could see a few move inside like Qua Russaw, and the LB that KD is bringing over from Washington. Also, come spring what the portal took away we will plunder where we need to. Many coaching changes are about to take place.


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I'm cautiously optimistic about 2024, but expecting our defense to pick up right where it left off in 2023 isn't logical. I'd be beyond ecstatic if we played that well, but I doubt that will happen.


They dont have to be anywhere near as good since our team will no longer be scoring 24 PPG. I expect we will damn near double that. However the personnel we have I personally think will shock some people. The DL, LB, and OLB's will be good to great, and our new DC is apparently "very aggressive." That is a young secondaries best friend. I will say though Moore the D captain is returning back there to get everyone lined up. Domani has played D1 ball, Dev. Smith has been developed. There is a lot of talent there, and IF we get the Washington corner suddenly things look really solid from my perspective. (and theres the spring portal)
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:31 am to
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DaBears skit was an all time classic especially when Chris Farley joined the cast. Top 5 skits all time.



How many heart attacks is that for you now?

That'll give me a baker's dozen Bill.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
775 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:46 am to
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WR Germie Bernard 6’1 203 Knows the system, and has big play ability Big frame


I suspect Bernard will end up being a John Metchie type WR. Good #2 WR. Security blanket for the QB. Run clean tight routes but not a take-the-top-off guy

The WR'sfall into 3 groups but not huge speed differential with any of them.
#1 WR Fast guys (low 4.4's) - Emmanuel Henderson, Ryan Williams*, Kobe Printice, Jaren Hamilton

#2 WR pretty fast guys (mid to high 4.4's) - Amari Jefferson, Kendrick Law, Jalen Hale

Slot fast enough guys (4.5's) - Germie Benard, Cole Adams

I would like to see one of the guys step out as the true Take-the-Top-Off guy Henderson / WIlliams* look to be the best candidates.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:00 pm to
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There was a massive negative overreaction when DeBoer was hired and players portaled out. That was unwarranted, in my opinion.
This depends..

On if anyone else leaves. If the roster is set, then I completely agree.

If 4-6 more of our top talent guys leave, I think the freaking out was probably warranted.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:20 pm to
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This depends..

On if anyone else leaves. If the roster is set, then I completely agree.

If 4-6 more of our top talent guys leave, I think the freaking out was probably warranted.



Right, but up to this point, its been unwarranted.
Posted by Tupelo
Member since Aug 2022
1471 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:29 pm to
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They dont have to be anywhere near as good since our team will no longer be scoring 24 PPG.


Bama averaged nearly 34 PPG last year, not 24 PPG. Even for SEC, we averaged 32 PPG.
I'm hopeful an almost complete change of coaching staff goes well for us. We'll have talent (although few superstars, compared to what we've grown accustomed to), and the new coaches seem capable. I won't be surprised, though, and denigrate Coach DeBoer, if there are some bumps. There's a lot to sort out, and the schedule will be brutal. DeBoer does seem to have a track record of early success at every place he's been, though. That's encouraging.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17946 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:30 pm to
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PowHound, a personal request: I know you like using "DeBear" to refer to the coach, but it's cringeworthy to me. Obviously do as you like, but I'd consider it a personal favor if you didn't.

You're saying that to someone who literally couldn't stop calling Cornwell cornholio. I think flesh eventually banned him for it
Posted by PowHound
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:39 pm to
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How many heart attacks is that for you now?

That'll give me a baker's dozen Bill.


DaBears, tree-hundred-fiddy-free duh packers.... negative tree


To this day I smile about that skit. Farley was gold
Posted by PowHound
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:44 pm to
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You're saying that to someone who literally couldn't stop calling Cornwell cornholio. I think flesh eventually banned him for it


Holy shite I completely forgot about that

Yeah, he was saying the same thing that he didn't like the Cornholio name, and I was all... "but bro, it's funny."

and he Banned my arse for like three days over it.

We became pretty good pals after that.

Pretty awesome story actually. Miss Salsa. I've always wondered who his alter here is. No way he just left.

For you, Salsa !

Posted by PowHound
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:54 pm to
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Bama averaged nearly 34 PPG last year, not 24 PPG. Even for SEC, we averaged 32 PPG.


You have to remove Middle Tenn, Chatta, LSU. (hilarious they were so bad defensively that they are lumped in with these guys)

We scored under 30 points in almost every game this season especially the big ones.

Also, points scored were off of busted plays, and homeruns, rarely did we sustain long methodical drives that made you feel we were running an effective offense. IMO it was awful. I actually thought it was worse than BoB - the offense had no identity, nothing to hang their hat on.

I guarantee you DeBear will have this offense running much better in year 1 than what you saw last season. A salt shaker could call a better game than Rees
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 12:55 pm
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
Member since Aug 2014
24528 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:58 pm to
We had a very high floor on offense pretty much regardless of how good the defense we were facing was. We just simply did not have it in us to not piss away at least 3 promising drives every game
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4373 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:01 pm to
I see us in the playoffs. I see us eventually facing OSU. I see us giving OSU and the two who will remained unnamed such a beating that no one will ever want to transfer from Bama to OSU again.

I know. I know. I'm all that's wrong with Alabama Fans. But I really believe what I'm saying.

I love Coach Saban. But it seems like it got to where if we didn't have a five star with two years of experience around here at every position, then we had glaring weaknesses. He was a great recruiter who established a culture of invincibility. But he was not, imo, a great developer of talent in many cases. And he was certainly not a great coach schematically.

I expect another level development in the QB room. I EXPECT a schematic advantage every Saturday. And I expect another level of focus and hunger across the board.

Like the scripture says,

"Behold, I make all things new again."

And we are about to see that again at Bama. Winning will feel new. Playing will feel new. Our our attitude will be new.

Deboer isn't an idiot. And he is no gambler. He knew that Bama was a sure thing for him... a done deal. And it is.

I sleep well at night. Like a baby. And I love winning.

This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 1:04 pm
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:21 pm to
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I see us in the playoffs. I see us eventually facing OSU. I see us giving OSU and the two who will remained unnamed such a beating that no one will ever want to transfer from Bama to OSU again.




Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
5753 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:23 pm to
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WR

With a better WR coach, better OC, better scheme, better OL, better QB play - simply put a better and more dynamic offense- how can this group not be better production wise ? These are all guys that will be hitting that next phase of their development. No longer young pups, but guys that know what it takes so I think all of them will make great strides personally and within a much better offense

WR Jalen Hale 6’1 189 big break out candidate IMO
WR Kobe Prentice 5’10 182
WR Kendrick Law 5’11 201 Finna eat in this system
WR Germie Bernard 6’1 203 Knows the system, and has big play ability Big frame


Some of ya'll seem to think that the WR position is one where you just "coach it up" and "scheme" them open. It's not. And it's also not a position where you can just put some guy here and another guy here and = same results. You listed off all the receivers but what if all of those receivers are slot receivers and none are 1st or 2nd receivers? You can't coach up and scheme explosiveness or quickness.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 1:24 pm
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83478 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:27 pm to
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and he Banned my arse for like three days over it.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4373 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:28 pm to
You should watch DeBoer on "miked up" on YouTube coaching recievers.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 1:29 pm
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
2781 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:41 pm to
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But he was not, imo, a great developer of talent in many cases.


Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
8906 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 2:13 pm to
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I love Coach Saban. But it seems like it got to where if we didn't have a five star with two years of experience around here at every position, then we had glaring weaknesses. He was a great recruiter who established a culture of invincibility. But he was not, imo, a great developer of talent in many cases. And he was certainly not a great coach schematically.



Posted by PowHound
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Member since Jul 2014
6844 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 2:15 pm to
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But he was not, imo, a great developer of talent in many cases.



Surely what he meant by that is CNS could not allure a QB until we started bringing in elite OC's like Kiffin and Sark. Then suddenly we had a run of Tua, Mac, and Bryce etc.

To be fair he was not known for being able to develop a QB because (it was not his forte) his teams were so defense oriented.

But when the game changed he brought in the flashy OC's and began signing future NFL QB's.

AJ McCarron landing right there in the middle of the run was perfect. He was a Bammer when Bama had to have a Bammer

Yeah, CNS has more players in the NFL than any coach ever so surely something lost in translation there.
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