re: *** Official Fire Anthony Grant Part Deux ***

We just disagree then, give me SEC championships and Nat'l championships. Final fours are part of the process but its just something for loser programs(LSU) to hang their hat on.

Give me an AD/coach that wants titles, not fourth place finishes.

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Izzo's reputation is built more on making multiple Final Fours than it is from his sole national title.

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In your opinion, I disagree. He's won the beloved Big10 seven times and four more B10 tourneys, made the dance almost every year. Very consistent coach.

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You can apply context to any team's run in the tournament and compare & contrast this program with that program; but more often than not, going to a Final Four is indicative of a strong program and great coaching. Rarely do teams back there way in and usually one trip to the Final Four is surrounded by other successful trips to the NCAAT.

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yep

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The other programs in the Top 10 of revenue have been at least once. Alabama hasn't.

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-As I have already shown, Ath dept revenue has little correlation to Bball success. The fact that Bama is an outlier in a worthless stat proves nothing.

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Our last SEC Tournament win was well over 20 years ago. If all you have to do is win 4 games at the right time, then why haven't we done it? What has stood in our way? We have the resources. Considering we're discussing Alabama's lack of commitment to basketball in terms of coaching, resources, arena, etc.

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-Bama has sucked for a while, not due to lack of spending but due to poor and untimely decisions.

- Bama spends plenty of money on Bball.

- I don't believe Bama has shown a lack of commitment(in the past)

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think the absence of a Final Four banner hanging in Coleman means something when one looks at Alabama Basketball from a macro level. UA constantly gets accused of being a football only school and it has never reached the Final Four. In my opinion, there's a correlation.

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Bama is a football school, nothing will ever change that, not even a couple of Bball nat'l titles. You think a couple of FFs change that?
Duke and UNC will always be Bball schools, football success will not change that.

LSU with multiple FFs, does anyone think of them in any way other than a football/baseball school?
How have all those FFs boosted and advanced LSU bball?

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If Bill Battle came out tomorrow and said "Our goal for the basketball program is to reach a Final Four in the next 15 years" and over the course of that time we reach an Elite Eight, 3 Sweet Sixteens, 6 trips to the 2nd round, 8 or so bids to the NCAA T, and an SEC championship or two, I think most people would be extremely satisfied. Yeah, we didn't reach a Final Four but our goal of taking our program to a championship/relevant level had been accomplished.

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Right now fans will be happy with anything.

All I ever want are tourney appearances almost every year, SEC Title occasionally and a national title. Where we finish in the tourney is of no importance to me unless we finish first.

Are we going to start claiming FFs or final 2's in football

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After this year, Grant is no longer at fault, Battle will be to blame.

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You're absolutely right, which is why I said earlier that I believe there isn't anything left to do at this point other than just stop supporting the program at all. No matter how you define success for alabama basketball, we can all agree that a change is needed, and it's become a "vote with your wallet" situation.

You're focusing way too much on my Final Four statement. We'll just agree to disagree but I believe that is an indicator of the long term struggle UA Basketball has had to try and get over the hump. In my opinion, we've gotten in our own way and the reason I bring up revenue is to prove that money isn't the issue. There's nothing stoping us if we truly wanted to throw the weight of the Alabama brand behind the basketball team.

Do I want to finish fourth every year? Not really but 4 straight Final Four trips would be a hell of a lot more fun than this mess and I'd take it in a heartbeat considering our lack of tradition in the post-season. I don't think anyone wants a lone Final Four trip preceded and/or followed by 20 years of mediocrity. We all want consistent relevance in March and I think that should be a pretty easy goal for a school that has the resources like Alabama has.

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@CecilHurt Sounds like substantial 11th-hour pressure being brought to bear on Bill Battle re: UA basketball program.

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Please god

I don't think Cecil would even tweet that info unless he knew he was gone, to much respect for Grant.

Kinda my feeling too but as someone else said, I'm afraid to get my hopes up.

I will support the athletes at Bama regardless of whether or not I agree with the coach. Empty arenas do nothing for recruiting or hiring a decent coach and players deserve better.

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Empty arenas do nothing for recruiting or hiring a decent coach and players deserve better.

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Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Players that dont win dont deserve anything. Empty arenas mean absolutely nothing when the fanbase has proven they will support a winner.

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What is sounds like is that it isn't really Battle opening his eyes, but important people telling him to open them.

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Which I'm glad if that is the case but if the AD at the University of Alabama can't see reason to make a move on his own, then God help us.