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re: Texas A&M's 100 Year Decision to join the SEC
Posted on 10/23/14 at 3:07 am to whiskeyjohn
Posted on 10/23/14 at 3:07 am to whiskeyjohn
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But I will give them their due. The Aggies were the only school willing to stand up to Texas in the Big 12. THE ONLY SCHOOL. Told them to take their bulldog tactics and shove it. And for that, I say kudos and welcome to the SEC. The Aggies will get better as they can use the SEC as their selling point for recruiting, which has already worked wonders for them. I have faith that they will be right in the mix sooner rather than later.
Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri?
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Posted on 10/23/14 at 3:12 am to molsusports
Maybe Mizzou. Nebraska and Colorado left more on their own rather than the crap Texas was doing.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:19 am to athens-ga
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Yes, let's evaluate their decision with short-term thinking.
This is a fair point. Who knows, 15 years from now, Texas might be in the SEC. Hell, there may not be any conferences 25 years from now.
Still, in the short term, it is impossible to defend against the argument that the move to the SEC was a disaster for A&M.
I get A&M and Texas needing a very long break from each other after all of the ridiculous politics. Still, if A&M had stayed in the Big 12 for the 2012 season, I'm convinced they run the table undefeated and play Bama (who they beat on the road that year) for the national title. No way I see Johnny losing that game.
Funny thing, I can't get a single aggie willing to say that they would have preferred to played for a national in 2012 than to have made the move. This astonishes me. As a Texas fan, I know what it is like to wait forever for a title and to finally get one. A&M strategically moved themselves out of a shot for a title in 2012. If I was an aggie, I'd be furious.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:25 am to whiskeyjohn
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Maybe Mizzou. Nebraska and Colorado left more on their own rather than the crap Texas was doing
Nebraska definitely left because of what they felt was the influence of Texas on the conference. From the location of the conference HQ, to the location of the B 12 title game, Nebraska was usually the lone vote against the rest of the Big 12.
Colorado leaving was all about joining the Pac, and they had wanted to do this for decades.
Mizzou is a mixed bag. Pinkel was very vocal about the LHN, but their administration had been trying to upgrade from the Big 12 forever. They began their flirtations with the Big 10 while the Big 12 was forming.
Can't blame Texas A&M. The SEC is a better conference, they had been dominated by Texas forever in every sport, being in the SEC gave them a special card to play. Still, they would have played for a national title in 2012 had they stayed in the Big 12, and THAT is the ultimate aggie joke
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:26 am to Spindicus Lofrus
Shut the lying frick up.
Grossly incorrect.
You fricking dumbfrick.
Sherman would still have been our coach had we stayed in the big12. He would most certainly NOT have started Johnny over Jameil Showers. His pro-style system would most certainly have NOT maximized Manziel's abilities even if he had (which, again, he would not).
Finally, there is no guarantee that A&M would have played for the national title in 2012 over an undefeated ND and Bama. In fact, the odds are significantly against that, as Manziel's stats could have been explained away due to the lack of defensive prowess in the big12 at the time, negating his Heisman buzz, and, consequently, TAMU as a sexy pick to get in. No CCG, and no buzz? No way TAMU plays for it all even if they run the table (which, again, we most likely would not have with Sherman and Showers at the helm).
Go the frick back to shaggy.
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Still, in the short term, it is impossible to defend against the argument that the move to the SEC was a disaster for A&M.
Grossly incorrect.
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if A&M had stayed in the Big 12 for the 2012 season, I'm convinced they run the table undefeated and play Bama (who they beat on the road that year) for the national title. No way I see Johnny losing that game.
You fricking dumbfrick.
Sherman would still have been our coach had we stayed in the big12. He would most certainly NOT have started Johnny over Jameil Showers. His pro-style system would most certainly have NOT maximized Manziel's abilities even if he had (which, again, he would not).
Finally, there is no guarantee that A&M would have played for the national title in 2012 over an undefeated ND and Bama. In fact, the odds are significantly against that, as Manziel's stats could have been explained away due to the lack of defensive prowess in the big12 at the time, negating his Heisman buzz, and, consequently, TAMU as a sexy pick to get in. No CCG, and no buzz? No way TAMU plays for it all even if they run the table (which, again, we most likely would not have with Sherman and Showers at the helm).
Go the frick back to shaggy.
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 5:32 am
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:32 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Grossly incorrect
I guess we are just different kinds of fans. I'd rather win a national title than change conferences. I feel strongly you guys would have played for the national title in 2012 had you stayed put. If playing better games every Saturday from August through November is what matters most to you, even more than a shot at a title, so be it.
You would think of all fans, aggies would be the hungriest for a shot at a national title in something that matters. It has never happened in your lifetime.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:35 am to Spindicus Lofrus
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I'd rather win a national title than change conferences.
That would not have happened in 2012 and only a fan trying to troll, such as yourself, could possibly argue otherwise.
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I feel strongly you guys would have played for the national title in 2012 had you stayed put.
That's because you're so bent on trying to troll aggy that you don't even consider the circumstances regarding that season. I don't care how strongly you feel, you can't change the facts.
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You would think of all fans, aggies would be the hungriest for a shot at a national title in something that matters. It has never happened in your lifetime.
We switched conferences to get in a better position recruiting and profile-wise to do just that.
Why the frick are you here at 0535 in the goddamn morning?
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:36 am to TbirdSpur2010
To address your edits:
Even if you guys had stayed put, I think Sherman would have been rolled.
He would have still won the Heisman. A&M's SOS would have been greater than that of ND. Still, even if an undefeated A&M was left out of the BCS title game (which I doubt), if I were an aggie fan, I would want a shot at an AP title, even if it meant no BCS crystal football, over finishing 3rd in the SEC West.
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Sherman would still have been our coach had we stayed in the big12
Even if you guys had stayed put, I think Sherman would have been rolled.
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Finally, there is no guarantee that A&M would have played for the national title in 2012 over an undefeated ND and Bama. In fact, the odds are significantly against that, as Manziel's stats could have been explained away due to the lack of defensive prowess in the big12 at the time, negating his Heisman buzz, and, consequently, TAMU as a sexy pick to get in.
He would have still won the Heisman. A&M's SOS would have been greater than that of ND. Still, even if an undefeated A&M was left out of the BCS title game (which I doubt), if I were an aggie fan, I would want a shot at an AP title, even if it meant no BCS crystal football, over finishing 3rd in the SEC West.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:39 am to Spindicus Lofrus
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That would not have happened in 2012 and only a fan trying to troll, such as yourself, could possibly argue otherwise.
I don't think this is me trolling. I think it is you, like all aggie fans, struggling to come to terms with the fact that the move to the SEC, while an incredible long term move, cost you a shot at an appearance in the BCS title game in 2012. Because of this, you may never see A&M play for a title in any sport that matters in your lifetime. I know this sucks for you. I'll drop the issue now.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:42 am to Spindicus Lofrus
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Even if you guys had stayed put, I think Sherman would have been rolled.
Vehemently disagree. Yes, he had his troubles with in-game adjustments in 2011, but he had done a terrific job to that point of restocking the cupboard after Fran had ravaged our program. The conference move was the major issue between him and the administration.
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He would have still won the Heisman.
Disagree. The fact that his stats came against SEC defenses worked greatly in his favor. Plus, folks quickly forget that K-State's Klein would most likely have won it going away if not for the Baylor game.
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an undefeated A&M was left out of the BCS title game
We're not playing for a title over Bama and ND.
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if I were an aggie fan, I would want a shot at an AP title, even if it meant no BCS crystal football, over finishing 3rd in the SEC West.
Yeah, and we'll NEVER finish higher than that our entire tenure in this conference
GTFO
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:43 am to molsusports
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But I will give them their due. The Aggies were the only school willing to stand up to Texas in the Big 12. THE ONLY SCHOOL. Told them to take their bulldog tactics and shove it. And for that, I say kudos and welcome to the SEC. The Aggies will get better as they can use the SEC as their selling point for recruiting, which has already worked wonders for them. I have faith that they will be right in the mix sooner rather than later.
Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri?
Yeah. I let it go, too.
You don't correct Blutarsky when he's ranting and says the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, you know?
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:45 am to Spindicus Lofrus
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the move to the SEC, while an incredible long term move, cost you a shot at an appearance in the BCS title game in 2012.
I have already explained in great detail for your slow arse why we wouldn't have appeared in that game to begin with.
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Because of this, you may never see A&M play for a title in any sport that matters in your lifetime. I know this sucks for you. I'll drop the issue now.
Yeah, mr. not-trolling
I say again, get your trolling arse the frick out and back over to shaggy.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:48 am to Spindicus Lofrus
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Spindicus Lofrus
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Member since Oct 2014
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Damnit man, TAMU is our pledge now so only we have the right to haze the crap out of them. Go back to the Beta House with your weak game. This is the SEC baby and you are not a member!
SEC
Texas A&M and Missouri
Now get out of here before we have to give you another
Posted on 10/23/14 at 5:52 am to Spindicus Lofrus
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Who knows, 15 years from now, Texas might be in the SEC.
lol... Only if hell freezes over.
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Hell, there may not be any conferences 25 years from now.
No. There'll still be conferences. They just won't want your conference killing, fricking asses in it.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 6:10 am to Spindicus Lofrus
Idiots "feel strongly" about lots of idiotic things.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 6:34 am to Spindicus Lofrus
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Funny thing, I can't get a single aggie willing to say that they would have preferred to played for a national in 2012 than to have made the move.
That should have been your clue that maybe you don't have a clue.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 6:42 am to Phat Phil
SEC west is tough. LSU, A&M, and Arkansas would probably give UGA a run for champs in the east.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 6:47 am to whiskeyjohn
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Maybe Mizzou. Nebraska and Colorado left more on their own rather than the crap Texas was doing.
Not really.
Nebraska definitely left because of tu.
Colorado left because they thought that the XII would implode and would be left homeless. Also, they knew the rumors were true that tu was attempting to broker a deal to take tu, OU, A&M, TT, and OSU to the PAC and wanted to make sure that they didn't get left out.
Missouri wanted to go to the B1G but didn't want junior membership. They rode A&M's coattails to the SEC as #14 because VT didn't come and WVU sucked as a prospect.
We had to wait a year to move because of Texas state politics. Loftin also needed a year to build the case. It was the right move and we are sorry we didn't come over 50 years sooner.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 6:51 am to whiskeyjohn
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But I will give them their due. The Aggies were the only school willing to stand up to Texas in the Big 12.
Not only. In fact, Nebraska fought Texas harder than A&M did and on a more consistent basis. And Colorado left first. And Missouri was blamed for a lot of it (I'm not sure how much of it was our fault).
Posted on 10/23/14 at 7:02 am to Spindicus Lofrus
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and THAT is the ultimate aggie joke
I thought the ultimate aggie joke involved farm animals.
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