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Regarding the whole Bruce Pearl/Nate Oats comparison

Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:44 pm
Posted by Govt Tide
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:44 pm
For all the talk about and comparison between Pearl and Oats the better Alabama coach to be comparing Pearl with given his 12 seasons at Alabama is Wimp. With all due respect to Coach Pearl who is a great coach, his Auburn resume doesn't even match up to Wimp's resume, much less Nate's.

Wimp Sanderson (1981-1992) - 12 seasons at Alabama

Overall record: 267-119 (69.2%)
SEC regular season titles: 1
SEC tourney titles: 5
Overall NCAAT record: 12-10 (54.5%)
Sweet 16s: 6
Elite 8s: 0
Final 4s: 0

Bruce Pearl (2015 - 2024) - 10 seasons at Auburn

Overall record: 200-119 (62.7%)
SEC regular season titles: 2
SEC tourney titles: 2
Overall NCAAT record: 7-5 (58.3%)
Sweet 16s: 1
Elite 8s: 1
Final 4s: 1

Other than Pearl's 1 magical run to the Final 4 in 2019 and his 2 SEC regular season titles compared to Wimp's 1, Wimp has the better resume. Bruce needs to win 67 games the next two seasons to match Wimp's overall win total thru 12 seasons.


Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:45 pm to
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For all the talk about and comparison between Pearl and Oats


me, looking for "all the talk"

Posted by mwlewis
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:01 pm to
But auburn is a basketball school
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

With all due respect to Coach Pearl who is a great coach, his Auburn resume doesn't even match up to Wimp's resume, much less Nate's.

Too bad the Auburn resume doesn't sum up his career even though his Auburn resume already makes him legendary for what he was able to do at Auburn.

Posted by Bigbens42
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:16 pm to
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Bruce needs to win 67 games the next two seasons to match Wimp's overall win total thru 12 seasons.


Wimp didn’t have to build a program from scratch following CM Newton like Bruce did following Tony Barbee salting the earth. Bruce gets a pass for his for first seasons because he had literally build the program from scratch. Wimp took over a winning program.
Posted by ihateidiots18
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:19 pm to
Bad take. You can't compare the 2-3 because they are incomparable. Auburn was in farrrrr worse shape than UA when Pearl took over. Oats had it bad but not as bad as BP. What Pearl has done considering where the program was before him, is unreal. Both are great. Find it funny as soon as UA tastes success again they want to turn into a pecker measuring contest. Unreal fan base.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:22 pm to
Oats inherited a roster of 4 and 5 stars. He inherited the likes of Herb Jones, Shackleford and so on. He is also Nike and the state school.

He had it extremely easy if compared to Pearl.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:23 pm to
Wimp wasted more talent at Alabama than any coach in the school’s history.

Bruce Pearl is a much better coach than Wimp Sanderson, given what Pearl has done with a program that was inarguably in the bottom 2 of the SEC historically when he arrived.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:25 pm to
Nice thread OP.

Can you compare Marc Richt at Georgia to James Franklin at Vandy next?
Posted by Johnnycrane
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2022
647 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:26 pm to
Yeah, Alabama hadn't missed the tournament 15 straight years like Auburn, also Bruce had the Under armor contract in basketball to deal with. Nate inherited a decent situation, Bruce inherited arguably a bottom two program in the SEC. Taking that to a Final 4 was beyond what I thought was possible. The last two seasons have been frustrating, but let's not get crazy. If being a early tournament exit, but still SEC championship winner is the worst Bruce has to offer then I'll take it. 15 straight years of ineptitude
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:29 pm to
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For all the talk about and comparison between Pearl and Oats


The only talk has been amongst you insecure bama fans seeking the boards approval
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 3:33 pm to
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If being a early tournament exit, but still SEC championship winner is the worst Bruce has to offer then I'll take it

So just for clarity — other than Bruce's Final Four season, you're fine with him winning three NCAAT games total in an entire decade, and continuing to lose in the First Round, as long as he occasionally wins the end-of-season SEC Tournament in Nashville like his team did this year?
Posted by Leto II
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Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 3:37 pm to
Now let’s compare the basketball history of the two schools.
Why are Bama fans always here seeking validation. It’s pretty sad.
Posted by Leto II
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Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 3:38 pm to
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you're fine with him winning three NCAAT games total in an entire decade, and continuing to lose in the First Round, as long as he occasionally wins the end-of-season SEC Tournament in Nashville like his team did this year?


Yep. Auburn didn’t sniff the tournament when I was a student. What he’s done is nothing short of amazing.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36572 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 3:41 pm to
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So just for clarity — other than Bruce's Final Four season, you're fine with him winning three NCAAT games total in an entire decade, and continuing to lose in the First Round, as long as he occasionally wins the end-of-season SEC Tournament in Nashville like his team did this year?

I am not leaving out Bruce's final four year because you sure as frick are happy to include yours.

He beat 12 seed New Mexico State, 4 seed Kansas, 1 seed North Carolina, and 2 seed Kentucky in one year.

He also has more than an occasional tourney championship.

So why are you lying?


This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 3:42 pm
Posted by makersmark1
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:00 pm to
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winning three NCAAT games total in an entire decade


Losing a tournament game comes down to matchup sometimes.

Sometimes officials can make a call that really determines the outcome.

Sometimes the team lays an egg.

A tourney run often needs some luck as well. Good play can help, and sometimes you draw good matchups.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:11 pm to
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So why are you lying?

I was responding directly to Johnnycrane's assertion as to what he would be satisfied with. How can asking a question be a lie?

And I love how we've now moved the goalposts on these conversations from "We're a basketball school, Bruce is the best coach in the SEC" to "You should've seen how bad we were, Bruce just did what he could."

Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:13 pm to
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And I love how we've now moved the goalposts on these conversations from "We're a basketball school, Bruce is the best coach in the SEC" to "You should've seen how bad we were, Bruce just did what he could."

And anybody can just make shite up.
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:17 pm to
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Auburn was in farrrrr worse shape than UA when Pearl took over

What was the better program when CNO was hired

In April 2019, if someone claimed that Oats would outperform Pearl over the next 5 years, he would have been laughed off the board
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 4:24 pm
Posted by AUSCgrad2016
Member since Apr 2024
36 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:55 pm to
Long time lurker, first time poster and finally decided become a user on here. I had to comment on this because even though I am an Auburn and USC grad (the real USC in LA), I played some basketball and love talking about basketball in general. The OP seems very misguided and lacks history of the two programs. Your coach inherited a team full of NBA and elite college talent, Johnson just couldn’t adapt to the college game, like other failed NBA players and coaches who have tried to cut in the college game. Your coach came in with so many advantages and didn’t really have to build much. He has an offense that is guard oriented and is similar to the NBA game. He also is at Nike school and is the state school. Those two are huge advantages, especially the Nike school. If you know anything about the AAU circuit, those coaches literally tell most of their players where to go to what college they’re affiliated with, such as Nike.

Also, congratulations on your run, but not all runs are equal. You played 2 12 seeds, the weakest 1 seed, and a 5 seed. Not exactly the toughest road. As someone else said, the tourney is really just the luck of the draw.

Now I will admit that Bruce has underwhelmed in the tournament with Jabari and this year’s team. I would be lying if I said I was not jealous of your team going further than us. However, you and most other UAT fans love to minimize the overall job he has done. Auburn was literally the worst power 5 conference team when Bruce took over. What he has done is beyond miraculous. If you want to slam a coach, at least look at facts first before you make these outlandish posts.
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