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re: McElroy admits this morning on Jox that the Bama bump in recruiting rankings was real....
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:56 am to koreandawg
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:56 am to koreandawg
So Saban’s run is even MORE impressive considering the implications that these players weren’t as good as advertised.
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Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:58 am to Penrod
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The explanation for all of this is so simple and so obvious. The recruiting services can't possibly spend enough time and hire enough experts to actually rank these kids. So they watch how the REAL experts rank them and copy it. Who are the real experts? The top coaches at the top programs.
This.
Case in point. Josh Jacobs. That kid wasn't on anyone's radar until Saban formally offered him a scholarship. I think he was a three-star player prior to committing to Alabama. This raised eyebrows, the recruiting services went back and looked at his film a little closer, saw what Saban saw, and bumped him up to a four star.
Jacobs went on to be drafted in the first round of the 2019 NFL Draft and has rushed for over 1,000 yards in three of his five seasons with the Raiders.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:01 am to ExpoTiger
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Yet a couple clowns will show up like clockwork with righteous indignation to tell you how stupid you are for thinking it’s a real thing.
It's not righteous indignation. It's downright confusion as we have no idea what the hell you're trying to argue. Alabama signed a Top 5 recruiting class every year under Nick Saban, minus 2007. The results on the field and the amount of players in the NFL mirror this exactly.
What are you trying to argue?
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:04 am to koreandawg
Pretty sure the BAMA bump was real on NFL draft day.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:06 am to bamameister
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Pretty sure the BAMA bump was real on NFL draft day.
This.
Nick Saban produced more first round draft picks (44) than he did losses (29) in his time at Alabama. But sure...there was a Bama bump.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:41 am to RollTide1987
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So which is it then? Saban only won games and championships because he had loaded rosters or recruiting services lied and Saban won games and championships because he was that good of a coach and coached up inferior talent?
I think early on recruiting services ranked the players and classes accurately. Over the last 5 years it’s become absurd. A no star wonder, project player gets a 5 star rating out of no where just because of a Bama offer. Meanwhile, behind the scene, Bama offered because the top tiers of the whiteboard went elsewhere.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:47 am to scottydoesntknow
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I was shocked the amount of back forth amongst the coaches and the very recognizable people from Rivals and Scou
Coaches get raises and promotions for being good recruiters.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:49 am to nicholastiger
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Saban got out as soon as the schedule toughened up Bama benefited from a favorable schedule his entire career
bullshite. If anything, it’s the NIL jump to portal landscape.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:49 am to ChexMix
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Now you are being stuck with the inflated 5 stars, while the future NFL 5 stars are abandoning ship and flipping to other SEC teams.
Wishcasting.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:50 am to TeddyWestside
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I remember when people used to complain about the Braves getting the benefit of the strike zone. I think part of it was that Glavine and Maddux were so good at painting the corners that if they threw it and it was close, the umpires assumed it was a strike because they threw it.
And then, along came Livan Hernandez and Eric Gregg.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:55 am to thunderbird1100
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The 2023 and 2024 classes in the state of Alabama are absolutely insanely ranked
Saban really didn't recruit the state of Alabama except for a select few
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:57 am to BamaGradinTn
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Livan Hernandez and Eric Gregg
One of the worst umpired games ever!
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:02 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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In my experience, Texas recruits are way over valued and have been for decades.
If you're saying recruits in general from Texas, I'd agree with that. Decade plus track record of Texas HS football somehow being overvalued in recruiting rankings.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:03 am to koreandawg
Do you trust a recruiting service or Saban more? I know who I’d trust. Saban was his own recruiting service.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:09 am to Giantkiller
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But do recruiting classes regularly forecast football success?
Yes. Somebody ran the numbers looking at how likely recruits were to be drafted by the NFL.
I don’t remember the numbers exactly. But something like over 40% of five-star recruits were drafted, less than 10% of 4 stars were drafted, and less than 2% of 3 star or less were drafted. Again, I don’t remember the exact numbers, but the difference between 5 stars and everyone else was staggering.
So, yes, it does have a correlation. There will be busts and exceptions. But on average a 5 star will be better than a 4 star who will be better than a 3 star. And teams with better players will fair better than teams with lesser players.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:33 am to UtahCajun
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According to 247, Alabama was far and away the most talented team in America for 2023 (top 1 or 2 for the past 6 years). Yet you guys claimed it was a down year due to lack of talent. In fact, we all saw that on the field of play. Yet you are saying the bump is justified for some reason...
It was obviously a down year at QB for Bama.
Still won the SEC and played for a national championship. We are not the same.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:37 am to thunderbird1100
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I have no idea how a state like that can have 3-5 5-stars and go out to like 22-26 4-stars in a single year, multiple years over. It doesnt make sense, it's not a FL/TX/CA type state.
We put steroids in the tap water
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:57 am to koreandawg
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Doesn't see any reason why Deboer can't do even better at Bama as he's done it with much less.
You are today where Auburn fans were in the days following the Harsin hire.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 12:07 pm to RollTide1987
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So which is it then? Saban only won games and championships because he had loaded rosters or recruiting services lied and Saban won games and championships because he was that good of a coach and coached up inferior talent?
It's no secret that the recruiting services miss on recruits all the time. So do coaches. Justin Jefferson was a 3 star recruit. The list goes on and on. The natural assumption was that if Saban offered a player he must be a 4 or 5 star talent. So the player gets a bump. Not many other coaches got the benefit of that when it came to rankings. It's probably happening now with Kirby.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 12:08 pm to UtahCajun
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According to 247, Alabama was far and away the most talented team in America for 2023 (top 1 or 2 for the past 6 years). Yet you guys claimed it was a down year due to lack of talent. In fact, we all saw that on the field of play. Yet you are saying the bump is justified for some reason...
Georgia's roster has been more highly rated recently.
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