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Why dont we recruit elite receivers harder
Posted on 9/26/13 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/26/13 at 1:42 pm
Serious question for the rectuitniks. And dont refer me to page 1317 of that ridiculous recruiting thead
Given the production of our offense over the last several years and the importance we put here on QB play. How come it seems (to me) like going after WRs is almost an afterthought every year
Its not a complaint so much as a question . If we're going to live and die by our passing game (normally) and rely on outscoring our opponents the way we seem content to, why are we not pushing harder for big time playmakers to throw to
Given the production of our offense over the last several years and the importance we put here on QB play. How come it seems (to me) like going after WRs is almost an afterthought every year
Its not a complaint so much as a question . If we're going to live and die by our passing game (normally) and rely on outscoring our opponents the way we seem content to, why are we not pushing harder for big time playmakers to throw to
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Posted on 9/26/13 at 1:54 pm to Chef Leppard
WR is one of the hardest positions to evaluate outside of a few guys that only come around once in a while (A.J., Julio, Patterson, etc.) who are "can't miss". Florida has loaded up on elite receivers for awhile but can't find adequate ones in games.
We generally have done pretty well anyway with highly recruited receivers. Mitchell, Terry, Rumph, JSW, and to a certain extent Reggie Davis and LeMay, were all highly recruited receivers (top 250-300 players, Rumph was the top JUCO WR). We've also hit on Conley and Bennett, and Wooten is serviceable.
We've got 2 good ones committed right now and one in 2015. They fit what were looking for (tall, lanky, sure hands). Shakenneth Williams is going to be good for us. Think Conley with more burst. We're still in the hunt for Josh Malone as well.
We generally have done pretty well anyway with highly recruited receivers. Mitchell, Terry, Rumph, JSW, and to a certain extent Reggie Davis and LeMay, were all highly recruited receivers (top 250-300 players, Rumph was the top JUCO WR). We've also hit on Conley and Bennett, and Wooten is serviceable.
We've got 2 good ones committed right now and one in 2015. They fit what were looking for (tall, lanky, sure hands). Shakenneth Williams is going to be good for us. Think Conley with more burst. We're still in the hunt for Josh Malone as well.
This post was edited on 9/26/13 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 9/26/13 at 2:04 pm to Crowknowsbest
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WR is one of the hardest positions to evaluate outside
How can that be possible
What is there outside of physicality, agility, speed, timing, and hands. Seems like it would be the easiest to evauate. Definitely one of the least cerebral. WRs as a whole seem to be the dumbest corp on the field normaly
Production seems to speak for itself with only a few variables to consider at every level of play
Just seems like we hang our hat on "serviceable" and hope for some standouts. And thats not to say we dont end up with some guys i really like every season. Im talking from a recruiting standpoint
Posted on 9/26/13 at 2:12 pm to Chef Leppard
A better question would be, why the frick don't we recruit better offense of an defense of linemen? Oh wait, I know, because that would require us winning championships. You can't get the big hogs without the hardware to go with it. They want to go where they can win a championship. That is the only way the big boys get recognized, so we don't recruit them well. O-Line and D-Line win championships and we don't have either one. Never really have except for a player here or there. When is the last time our O-Line was great all the way across? We have never had one like Bama or LSU.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 2:13 pm to Chef Leppard
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How can that be possible
What is there outside of physicality, agility, speed, timing, and hands. Seems like it would be the easiest to evauate. Definitely one of the least cerebral. WRs as a whole seem to be the dumbest corp on the field normaly
Production seems to speak for itself with only a few variables to consider at every level of play
I'm not paid to evaluate football players so I don't really know. I think level of competition is hard to judge for receivers since a big-time HS wide receiver tends to dominate against any HS corner. It's also probably more cerebral than we realize. Confidence is also hugely important. Somebody gets the drops in their head, they'll have a tough time for awhile. I just know that WR and OL are said to be the hardest to evaluate. The bust rate for "elite" HS wide receivers is very high.
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Just seems like we hang our hat on "serviceable" and hope for some standouts. And thats not to say we dont end up with some guys i really like every season. Im talking from a recruiting standpoint
We aren't doing that at all, imo. We're trying to recruit the best players we can using the staff's own evaluations. Who the staff values may be very different from who the services value
Posted on 9/26/13 at 2:16 pm to Padawgjr
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A better question would be, why the frick don't we recruit better offense of an defense of linemen? Oh wait, I know, because that would require us winning championships. You can't get the big hogs without the hardware to go with it. They want to go where they can win a championship. That is the only way the big boys get recognized, so we don't recruit them well. O-Line and D-Line win championships and we don't have either one. Never really have except for a player here or there. When is the last time our O-Line was great all the way across? We have never had one like Bama or LSU.
OL has been tough for us, but we recruit DL as well as anyone over the last 10 years except maybe Bama. This year's DL class will be one of the top 2 in the nation, probably.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 2:17 pm to Chef Leppard
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What is there outside of physicality, agility, speed, timing, and hands. Seems like it would be the easiest to evauate. Definitely one of the least cerebral. WRs as a whole seem to be the dumbest corp on the field normaly
Route running, chemistry with the QB, ball security, understanding the plays, blocking ability, etc...
Posted on 9/26/13 at 2:21 pm to Chef Leppard
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Why dont we recruit elite receivers harder
Tradition, mostly.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 2:24 pm to FaCubeItches
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Tradition, mostly.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 2:42 pm to Crowknowsbest
OL has been very tough, but why haven't we tried to fix that HUGE problem? I like our DL this year. We are basically using 3 DE's in the middle and 2 more as OLB's. That being said I thing that are edge rush is faster than last year and Deloach has been a demon flip-side Jenkins. Very impressed with him and I think he is as good as C-Rob now and will only get better. He has a true NFL frame and I love it. That boy will be a monster. Smith is playing well and the interior guys have held their own so far, but I'm sure we all watched the LSU game last week, and they truly have a great OL with huge TE's/FB. They will try to punch us in the mouth early and often. I just don't want to see another drive like Bama put on us last year. LSU will try to pound the ball ten times I a row if they have to and we will have to prove that we can stop them. This is my biggest fear going into this weekend. We haven't seen a running game like this fellas.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 2:48 pm to gatorhata9
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Route running
Timing
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chemistry with the QB
Meh
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ball security,
Sure.ok
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understanding the plays
Meh
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blocking ability
Physicality
Again, i cant see how its a difficult position to evaluate. And up until this past year, i followed recruiting as much as most. Seemed we didnt even extend offers out there for the handful of 5* guys in the region. Not even obligitory offers like most. Just gives the impression that its an undervalued position
Posted on 9/26/13 at 2:49 pm to Padawgjr
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OL has been very tough, but why haven't we tried to fix that HUGE problem?
We've tried, just missed for whatever reason. This year looks better, especially if we can get David Sharpe. Missing on Tunsil hurt a lot, honestly
Posted on 9/26/13 at 3:10 pm to gatorhata9
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Route running, chemistry with the QB, ball security, understanding the plays, blocking ability,
I will add one more, arrogance. They think they can just run by everyone like in HS ball only to find out 8 other dudes on the field are capable of chasing him down at any time (assuming no DL is running a sub 4.5)
Obviously AJ was our biggest catch in some time at WR but still Marlon Brown was a 5 star and was the last pure WR we recruited who was truly elite. Money Mitch 26 was listed as an athlete by the majority of the services if I am not mistaken.
I will take the Connelys, Bennetts, and Durhams all day every day.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 3:29 pm to Cherokee Chinstrap
We had an elite receiver for 3 years and the team sucked for a lot of that time. I love AJ, but there are more important positions in college football that are better indicators of team success.
We're recruiting the shite out of some running backs, quarterbacks, and now the defense. We still could use some work on Oline recruiting but I like the 2014 guys on board so far.
We're recruiting the shite out of some running backs, quarterbacks, and now the defense. We still could use some work on Oline recruiting but I like the 2014 guys on board so far.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 3:29 pm to Crowknowsbest
Never say Tunsil again. Thanks. 
Posted on 9/26/13 at 3:31 pm to Padawgjr
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offense of an defense of linemen
ETA: You know, I thought about insulting you, but I feel bad doing so.
Just so you are aware, this particular part of the sentence should read "offensive and defensive linemen."
This post was edited on 9/26/13 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 9/26/13 at 3:45 pm to ugasickem
I was using Siri. Hard to type driving down I-20 haha. 
Posted on 9/26/13 at 3:48 pm to Chef Leppard
Others have already given good answers but I'll chime in.
First of all, it's not like we don't recruit them. I'm sure we offer all the top WR recruits nationwide every year. My biggest point though, similar to our almost laughable woes in OL recruiting, is that we've had a knack for big time receivers to not produce.
By all accounts, a 4* or high 4* WR should be a big time playmaker. And we've gotten dozens of 4* receivers who have been fair to pretty good for us. Sean Bailey, Wooten, Kenneth Harris, and the list goes on were all 4* receivers that everyone in the SEC wanted. They just didn't live up to the hype for whatever reason. And look at a guy like DGB at missouri, who was the #1 OVERALL player in america to some, and he has barely done anything.
Also as mentioned, unless you're AJ Green it can just be pretty difficult to truly evaluate WRs based on competition. Marlon Brown was the #1 player in his state, but he played in a small league against nobodies and it took him 3 years at UGA to really adjust.
First of all, it's not like we don't recruit them. I'm sure we offer all the top WR recruits nationwide every year. My biggest point though, similar to our almost laughable woes in OL recruiting, is that we've had a knack for big time receivers to not produce.
By all accounts, a 4* or high 4* WR should be a big time playmaker. And we've gotten dozens of 4* receivers who have been fair to pretty good for us. Sean Bailey, Wooten, Kenneth Harris, and the list goes on were all 4* receivers that everyone in the SEC wanted. They just didn't live up to the hype for whatever reason. And look at a guy like DGB at missouri, who was the #1 OVERALL player in america to some, and he has barely done anything.
Also as mentioned, unless you're AJ Green it can just be pretty difficult to truly evaluate WRs based on competition. Marlon Brown was the #1 player in his state, but he played in a small league against nobodies and it took him 3 years at UGA to really adjust.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 5:28 pm to Chef Leppard
AJ Green, Tavarres King, Malcome Mitchell, all highly rated guys, I think we have done pretty well recently recruiting great receivers.
When this Tramel Terry kid comes off his ACL rehab, when Rumph comes off his whatever the frick he has, they can both be great.
I challenge your premise that we don't recruit elite receivers.
When this Tramel Terry kid comes off his ACL rehab, when Rumph comes off his whatever the frick he has, they can both be great.
I challenge your premise that we don't recruit elite receivers.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 5:44 pm to deeprig9
^^^^^^^^
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