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re: Said it on day one, saying it again.

Posted on 11/26/16 at 7:44 pm to
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 11/26/16 at 7:44 pm to
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I also agree that it falls on Smart in the fact that he made the moronic hire, it is also on Smart to correct that decision which was my point.



That's all well in good, but.....you want to chase every recurit away? Keep hiring and firing OC's. If Chaney gets fired this year, we would be going with our fourth OC in 4 years. (Bobo, Schottenheimer, Chaney and whoever the new guy would be.) Recruits want stability. I understand we want and need a good OC, but Chaney is not as bad as many on here are thinking/saying.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3025 posts
Posted on 11/26/16 at 9:18 pm to
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Yep, that's the ticket...do nothing about the very obvious problems we have and continue to ignore them for years on end


Congrats to all the Mark Richt haters. You've fixed our "problem" of consistently good teams that were competitive in our league and nationally. But we never finished first, so we burned it all down. Enjoy your little lesson in what real problems look like, although obviously most of you will never figure out that they start and end with Kirby Smart.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 9:22 pm
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 11/26/16 at 9:20 pm to
Chill out. If Smart can't win the East he'll be gone, too.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 9:21 pm
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 11/26/16 at 9:48 pm to
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Most of this was the fact that we have two 5 star running backs. Very few times were there holes and almost all was yards after contact, a lot of contact. The line is terrible..period. Both of these backs should have had a banner year but getting hit behind the line and at the time of getting the hand-off is troublesome for any back. Yes there was some improvement at times but it was up and down..like crossing your fingers. They largely had to use gimmicks to get things going.




Actually, the gimmicks were double pulls, gap and a half down blocking, difficult combo blocks, pulling centers, and other stuff only the most athletic lineman can do. When we did less gimmicky stuff and just blocked gaps and pulled single guards, we got a lot more drive.

Pass blocking was tough when we were in obvious pass down and distances all game long. This line was not great, but they were serviceable. They did fine when they were put in the position to do so. I get that there are a lot,of,people out there who don't understand football enough to see what is happening with an offensive line scheme. I'd be glad to explain it more if you would like.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44808 posts
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:05 pm to
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But we never finished first, so we burned it all down


Isn't a coach's job to finish first every once in awhile?
Posted by Burns78
Dalton, GA
Member since Nov 2015
32 posts
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:47 pm to
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Dude. Why didn't those two 5* RB's run against Nicholls' then? 20* RB's can't run when there is no hold. One explanation for the Jekyl/Hyde running game this year is blocking scheme. We ran the ball against some teams with very good run defenses and did not run against some teams with very poor run defenses.


Have you read my posts? That is exactly what I was saying, we got what we got because of the good backs....very, very hard earned BUT I also said, the line has been night and day, up and down AND EXTREMELY INCONSISTENT.
Posted by Burns78
Dalton, GA
Member since Nov 2015
32 posts
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:51 pm to
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.you want to chase every recurit away?


YOU want to chase every recruit away..keep this pitiful o-line and poor playing calling, QB development. Do you really think another 5 star wants to play for him? Bring in a stud OC/QB coach and we immediately bring in recruits. Are we seriously having this conversation?
Posted by Burns78
Dalton, GA
Member since Nov 2015
32 posts
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:09 pm to
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Actually, the gimmicks were double pulls, gap and a half down blocking, difficult combo blocks, pulling centers, and other stuff only the most athletic lineman can do. When we did less gimmicky stuff and just blocked gaps and pulled single guards, we got a lot more drive. Pass blocking was tough when we were in obvious pass down and distances all game long. This line was not great, but they were serviceable. They did fine when they were put in the position to do so. I get that there are a lot,of,people out there who don't understand football enough to see what is happening with an offensive line scheme. I'd be glad to explain it more if you would like.


Though I certainly don't agree with a lot of the play calling by Chaney, already said he needed to be replaced, the gimmicks were often needed as a last option. The reason: this is, without a doubt, the worst o-line in modern history for the school...period. Any word to the contrary is complete nonsense and nothing but arguing for the sake of arguing. Your kid playing on the o-line or what? We supposedly have one of the best o-line coaches in the game...he did what he could do with this bunch. When we have a starter on the line coming from Rhode Island, pretty much speaks volumes.

"Don't understand football", I played tailback/DB and ran track at the college level.. I get football. Bottom line, we were reaching for answers at the line most of the season because the line could not blow anyone off the ball at least most of the time. This is not a new concept created by myself, the entire nation of "football" analysts happen to agree. They are garbage. I fully get it, as a back, you can't do much with a very, very crippled line. Oh but keep defending them because you are certainly correct.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 12:11 am
Posted by Burns78
Dalton, GA
Member since Nov 2015
32 posts
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:14 pm to
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Congrats to all the Mark Richt haters. You've fixed our "problem" of consistently good teams that were competitive in our league and nationally. But we never finished first, so we burned it all down. Enjoy your little lesson in what real problems look like, although obviously most of you will never figure out that they start and end with Kirby Smart.


Not a hater, didn't burn CMR down and I'm not burning CKS down, just posting what I see as obvious issues which ARE fixable.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:47 am to
You don't have to "blow people off the line" for a line to be successful. Perhaps this is the case in the 4x100, but not in football... even high school football...
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:53 am to
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But we never finished first, so we burned it all down

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Isn't a coach's job to finish first every once in awhile?


Didn't we finish first "every once in a while?"
Posted by Burns78
Dalton, GA
Member since Nov 2015
32 posts
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:01 am to
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You don't have to "blow people off the line" for a line to be successful. Perhaps this is the case in the 4x100, but not in football... even high school football.


Sure buddy, you still believe in the Easter bunny too? This is the SEC and in case you haven't noticed yet, a little team called Alabama is largely successfully because of...wait for it... their o and d LINES. Yes they also have great skilled players but so does most all of sec schools, they WIN CONSISTENTLY BECAUSE OF THEIR SUPERIORITY AND DEPTH IN THE TRENCHES.

Look Peter, we are both Dawgs fans I suspect, I am not looking to argue with you, perhaps we just agree to disagree. I made reference to the line but the original post on this thread was actually focused toward QB development. I got no "dawg" in the fight against you, just two different opinions on that and it is cool, that is what the forum is for. I just see some weaknesses and at the end of the day, just want OUR team to succeed, just like you I suspect... All good brother.
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30546 posts
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:04 am to
He's been white knighting for the shite OL all year. Don't take it personal. He's just wrong
Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Member since Sep 2013
1982 posts
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:14 am to
Uhhhhh, 1980?
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13164 posts
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:40 am to
Pretty much agree but.....

1. Chaney is an experienced OC and with better players his offense would probably work. Chaney isn't causing Eason's ongoing accuracy issues and OL and WR inadequacy.

2. Still I don't like having a fat arse coach and I think his offense is behind the times/what is obviously working at other programs.

3. I want an OC with a system that utilizes dual-threat QB's. If you look at all the prolific offenses in college football, they all have dual-threat QB's: Clemson, Louisville, Bama, Ohio St., Tennessee, etc. Two of the best dual-threat QB's came from the state of Georgia, Deshaun Watson and Joshua Dobbs. Couple such an offense with superior defense and you have a winning formula.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 9:00 am
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:48 am to
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Sure buddy, you still believe in the Easter bunny too? This is the SEC and in case you haven't noticed yet, a little team called Alabama is largely successfully because of...wait for it... their o and d LINES. Yes they also have great skilled players but so does most all of sec schools, they WIN CONSISTENTLY BECAUSE OF THEIR SUPERIORITY AND DEPTH IN THE TRENCHES.

Look Peter, we are both Dawgs fans I suspect, I am not looking to argue with you, perhaps we just agree to disagree. I made reference to the line but the original post on this thread was actually focused toward QB development. I got no "dawg" in the fight against you, just two different opinions on that and it is cool, that is what the forum is for. I just see some weaknesses and at the end of the day, just want OUR team to succeed, just like you I suspect... All good brother.


bullshite... you called the line garbage... it wasn't. That was just an excuse for the Smart can do no wrong crowd. Blowing people off the line is a bonus. We did that against Tech most of the game. Getting a push is great for short yard situations, but getting a hat on a guy and holding a block long enough to create a running lane Ismail a lot more important. It just took the coaches 8 games to adjust to the skill set and when they did, the line performed much better. Coaching....
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