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Over on SDS: "How OC Schottenheimer will cement GA at Tight End U"
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:06 am
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:33 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Once Schottenheimer feels comfortable with his personnel, expect plenty of pre-snap confusion for defensive players.
But, how long will it take non-professional student-athlete teenagers to master all of these schemes and sets and strategy he brings from the NFL?
The whole article sounds just like the hype surrounding the last coordinator that we hired from "the league"....
Are we about to out-scheme ourselves again like Grantham did? Hope not.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:45 am to Jefferson Dawg
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Are we about to out-scheme ourselves again like Grantham did? Hope not.
That's a concern of mine as well. Hopefully we'll have learned from the Grantham experiment and Richt will have a hand in the playbook from a degree of difficulty standpoint.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:29 am to Jefferson Dawg
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Are we about to out-scheme ourselves again like Grantham did? Hope not.
The good new is that, on offense, multiple schemes are easier on the players. With the exception of audibles, the offense leaves the huddle knowing their assignment. Ds have to read and react. Plus Grantham is a blowhard, so there's that. Hopefully Squatty can connect with his players.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:46 am to Cobb Dawg
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With the exception of audibles, the offense leaves the huddle knowing their assignment.
Don't a lot of routes nowadays have reads built in based on how the defense lines up?
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:47 am to Jefferson Dawg
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But, how long will it take non-professional student-athlete teenagers to master all of these schemes and sets and strategy he brings from the NFL?
The whole article sounds just like the hype surrounding the last coordinator that we hired from "the league"....
Are we about to out-scheme ourselves again like Grantham did? Hope not.
You can run the same exact play out of 15 different formations on office. OL assignments will be the same and each 1-6 skill will have either a block or decoy (fake handoff, fake post, etc). It is MUCH more simple on offense to have multiple looks and than on defense. Audibles can be a concern, but I trust that Shotty going to do what is best for the squad. I don't anticipate any confusion like we saw with Grantham.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:21 pm to IT_Dawg
One thing on Schottenheimer that seems to be said by everyone in the program is that he is a great teacher and I don't think he will install or call something if he is not sure that all 11 guys know their assignments
Posted on 7/21/15 at 3:16 pm to socrow
I don't know anything about his time with the rams. But from some disgruntled rams fans I've seen online, one thing they constantly vent about was his proclivity to take teeny tiny tavon austin and run him up the middle out of the shotgun.
I know you wan to get the ball to your playmakers, but I truly hope we don't ever see us lining up mckenzie behind QB.
I know you wan to get the ball to your playmakers, but I truly hope we don't ever see us lining up mckenzie behind QB.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:21 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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Don't a lot of routes nowadays have reads built in based on how the defense lines up?
For the primary receiver, yes. That's part of the audible. The secondary receivers, for the most part, run set routes.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:36 pm to Cobb Dawg
That is not typically correct. A presnap read based on defense/coverage is not an audible and can be run by receivers and TEs... Even RBs on some plays.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:44 pm to Peter Buck
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That is not typically correct. A presnap read based on defense/coverage is not an audible and can be run by receivers and TEs... Even RBs on some plays
So you think a QB has 3 seconds to learn what route his primary receiver is running?
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:52 pm to Cobb Dawg
you know based on formation before the play
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:04 pm to Peter Buck
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you know based on formation before the play
You ever play QB or receiver?
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:10 pm to Cobb Dawg
Yes. For quite a long time
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:41 pm to Peter Buck
I think you are confusing audibles with option routes.
You have 3 to 10 or so seconds, give or take, to look at a defense before you go under center or start the cadence. In the event of a pass play, you are going to find the safeties to see what the base defense is going to be. You then scan left to right to see the CBs. You want to see their depth and technique... then you work in to see DEs technique, LB depth etc.
It's not easy... That's why some guys with amazing arms don't play at a high level. You have to process a lot, understand it, and know where your guys are going to be based on what happens pre snap and then into the play. It used to be called seeing the field. When you do, things happen in slow motion and it is like everyone is just flowing.
You have 3 to 10 or so seconds, give or take, to look at a defense before you go under center or start the cadence. In the event of a pass play, you are going to find the safeties to see what the base defense is going to be. You then scan left to right to see the CBs. You want to see their depth and technique... then you work in to see DEs technique, LB depth etc.
It's not easy... That's why some guys with amazing arms don't play at a high level. You have to process a lot, understand it, and know where your guys are going to be based on what happens pre snap and then into the play. It used to be called seeing the field. When you do, things happen in slow motion and it is like everyone is just flowing.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 6:25 am to Peter Buck
But the point is that the QB and the receivers have to be on the same page as far as their routes are concerned. They can't just run Willie-Nillie all over the field. This is, of course, established before the snap. And the audible process is much simpler in college than in the pros (Peyton Manning). So Squat's offense shouldn't be beyond a college player's ability to learn like Grantham's D was, at times. That's just my opinion and we'll know soon enough.
Where'd you do your playin'?
Where'd you do your playin'?
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:18 pm to Cobb Dawg
Receivers ( and TEs and RBs) know their routes on option routes
For instance, a slot guy will have an option route called X-ray. You like to call it in cover 2. The slot runs a post and the SE runs a PC or flag. This is a good way to split cover 2.
...but, they may shift to cover 3. If they are in cover 3, the safety is going to be on that post. In the old days, you would have to run into the coverage. With an option route, you can see the deep middle safety and stop on the post and settle in the zone behind the LBs. if you pick up a man coverage, with a safety sitting over the top, you will turn it into a cross type pattern.
If you have a talented TE, this stuff can be deadly as he is going to be able to find openings based on coverage as well and he will be in a man situation with a LB or be a big target to settle into zones.
This is nothing new, but it is much more refined and complex now.
For instance, a slot guy will have an option route called X-ray. You like to call it in cover 2. The slot runs a post and the SE runs a PC or flag. This is a good way to split cover 2.
...but, they may shift to cover 3. If they are in cover 3, the safety is going to be on that post. In the old days, you would have to run into the coverage. With an option route, you can see the deep middle safety and stop on the post and settle in the zone behind the LBs. if you pick up a man coverage, with a safety sitting over the top, you will turn it into a cross type pattern.
If you have a talented TE, this stuff can be deadly as he is going to be able to find openings based on coverage as well and he will be in a man situation with a LB or be a big target to settle into zones.
This is nothing new, but it is much more refined and complex now.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:23 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Our playbook should be easy this year. Chubb left. Chubb right. Sony left. Sony right. There is 80%. The other 20% should be easy enough.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:30 pm to Broncothor
I see Sony running option pass routes out of the backfield
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:34 pm to Peter Buck
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I see Sony running option pass routes out of the backfield
would be great. I remember our first TD against SC he took a quick tunnel screen the distance. Thought I was watching corey allen out there.
This post was edited on 7/22/15 at 1:35 pm
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