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Posted on 2/27/18 at 10:31 am to Bleudawg
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I think it was a canoe
Two dudes trying to throw a dead body with two cinder blocks off the side of the canoe would likely flip them, but it could be possible.
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sunk the head to hide the ballistics.
There's one of those known unknowns. We know that we don't know whether or not a gun was used. Because neighbors never reported gunshots, because we know (or haven't yet been told to the contrary) that the bodies had no gunshot wounds, then it is a safe assumption to move forward with a theory that no gun was discharged during the commission of the crime. Just my opinion.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 10:51 am to deeprig9
I, and others, keep moving with the assumption it was two people. This easily could have been done with 1, right?
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:26 pm to deeprig9
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I, and others, keep moving with the assumption it was two people. This easily could have been done with 1, right?
moving even a small older adult which is nothing but dead weight would require someone pretty strong to load them into and out of the boat unless possible a pontoon boat was used, but I still believe it was more than one person. I would figure one would have a lookout while doing this.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:42 pm to deeprig9
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winds 9MPH out of the NW with gusts to 25.
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I think it was a canoe...and they sunk the head to hide the ballistics.
Well I doubt the killers used a canoe that day.
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:57 pm to Perrydawg
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but I still believe it was more than one person. I would figure one would have a lookout while doing this.
So, if there were at least two people that know what happened, there's rarely honor among thieves. One of them might have thought the other was a liability. Maybe afraid they were too reckless in their life, likely to get busted for some stupid shite and tip police on the murders to get immunity.
I would look around for other unsolved murders in the area in the year following, one of those victims might be one of our perps.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:27 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:28 pm to deeprig9
you would have to certifiably bat shite crazy the do this act and stay in the area. These are small town where most everyone knows everyone. Not to mention Reynolds Plantation and the houses there have probably have some of the best security systems in these houses that money can buy. I don't believe this was local people and you would have to be pretty good to go undetected by surveillance systems. The water would be the only way to get in and out and go undetected unless the killer is in the community. Also I would be checking in near by towns for people registered at hotels (there aren't many) because it would take time to know the layout of the lake and how to get there by water. you take the wrong line in some of these stretches of water, you can disable your get away vehicle with a quickness. In my opinion, the killers came by interstate (I20) and came down Hwy 16 to one of the two public ramps on that side of the lake. Very isolated highway with easy transportation to an from the interstate probably went east to Sparta and got on I20 from there since there is less chance of being pulled over or spotted on traffic cameras going through Eatonton. Given the fact that nothing seems to have been stolen from the house, local criminals aren't going to go through the trouble. Someone had a vendetta and the price for completing the job was worth more than whatever someone could move or sell to a pawnshop.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:35 pm to Perrydawg
I think the killer(s) may have had a Special Forces type of background. Enter and exit through the water. Smart enough to not leave behind very many clues. The precision cutting of the head.
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:52 pm to DaveyDownerDawg
Did you ever think it might have been mistaken identity? Hit men that hit the wrong couple / house?
If that's the case you'll be chasing ghosts forever.
Or ...
Maybe it was Tony Sorpano coming out or Retirement.
Or ...
Navy seals on a covert mission.
If that's the case you'll be chasing ghosts forever.
Or ...
Maybe it was Tony Sorpano coming out or Retirement.
Or ...
Navy seals on a covert mission.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:56 pm to deeprig9
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Other unsolved murders
While not in the same area geographically, at one point authorities were looking into whether the Dermond murders and the murder of Lois Colley in New York State were related. LINK
Evidently the Colley murder was solved or at least an arrest was made. LINK
I have not read anything more on the matter and am guessing the authorities have concluded that the two cases are not related; however, it is unknown how many people may have been involved in the murder(s).
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:57 pm to DaveyDownerDawg
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The precision cutting of the head.
I haven't seen anything published to say whether or not it was precision or sloppy. Do you recall your source for this? This is critical evidence.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:59 pm to deeprig9
it was in the article posted above. Said it wasn't surgical precision, but it was done deliberately and with a sharp knife. Basically said that the killer used the shirt collar of his t shirt as a stencil
Posted on 2/27/18 at 6:26 pm to Perrydawg
It comes down to motive.
That's why the local police department is clueless.
Who, what, when and where. When and where, they got.
What is the pertinent question. What or why were this couple murdered?
I don't expect the local sheriff to figure this out, but I should expect better from the FBI.
That's why the local police department is clueless.
Who, what, when and where. When and where, they got.
What is the pertinent question. What or why were this couple murdered?
I don't expect the local sheriff to figure this out, but I should expect better from the FBI.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 8:10 am to MacDawg
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Did you ever think it might have been mistaken identity? Hit men that hit the wrong couple / house?
If that's the case you'll be chasing ghosts forever.
Or ...
Maybe it was Tony Sorpano coming out or Retirement.
Or ...
Navy seals on a covert mission.
Just spit balling ideas. No need to be rude. I do believe it was a hit. I also believe that the hit man/men had some special forces training in their former lives. Way too clean to be your average run of the mill hit.
The cutting was referenced in the article. It wasn't surgical precision but it wasn't sloppy either.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 8:41 am to DaveyDownerDawg
From that magazine article.. this is very important...
They were killed Friday night or Saturday morning. Based on another description of husband being in morning coffee clothes, it is a safe assumption this was committed on the early morning of Sat May 3rd 2014.
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He and Shirley had RSVP’d that they’d be at a neighbor’s Kentucky Derby party on Saturday. They never showed. Shirley, who played bridge and was a crossword whiz, had worked a puzzle in that Friday’s USA Today. It was still on the kitchen table. The couple’s Saturday mail was in the mailbox out front.
They were killed Friday night or Saturday morning. Based on another description of husband being in morning coffee clothes, it is a safe assumption this was committed on the early morning of Sat May 3rd 2014.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:23 am to deeprig9
which is pretty ballsy considering that golf course is usually packed on weekend that time of the year.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 11:12 am to Perrydawg
Because you wouldn’t sink the body in daylight, and you wouldn’t want your boat parked there all day, Im starting to think the boat driver dropped off the killer, probably pre-dawn Saturday, then drove away.
They probably stayed in contact via cell phone or cb radio until night when the boat came back.
I have to imagine that all of the texts and conversations coming through that tower were stored as metadata, and that the fbi has already combed through them. Therefore they probably communicated some other way.
Then you have to wonder, did the boat driver know exactly what he was getting into? Surely he knew he was involved in something nefarious, but is it possible he didn’t know what this would turn into, and became a reluctant accomplice, in which case the psycho would later murder him too, in the following days/weeks/months.
I would assume the boat driver was somewhat local. Maybe not from that community but nearby.
We need our intern to comb through all murder victims from a 50 mile radius in the 7 months following this crime.
One of those victims could very well be the boater in this case.
They probably stayed in contact via cell phone or cb radio until night when the boat came back.
I have to imagine that all of the texts and conversations coming through that tower were stored as metadata, and that the fbi has already combed through them. Therefore they probably communicated some other way.
Then you have to wonder, did the boat driver know exactly what he was getting into? Surely he knew he was involved in something nefarious, but is it possible he didn’t know what this would turn into, and became a reluctant accomplice, in which case the psycho would later murder him too, in the following days/weeks/months.
I would assume the boat driver was somewhat local. Maybe not from that community but nearby.
We need our intern to comb through all murder victims from a 50 mile radius in the 7 months following this crime.
One of those victims could very well be the boater in this case.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 11:41 am to deeprig9
there might have been a get away driver, but being from that area and the time frame this happened in, I do know that the cell reception is shite in this particular area, so the only way for communication would be with a walkie talkie or something. Problem with a W/T is that there is a chance that the chatter could be picked up from people nearby. Reynolds has two marinas relatively close and we used walkie talkies to communicate with the marina store about launch times for boats that things like that. So that is two potential areas where people could hear things that they weren't supposed to and not to mention all of the course maintenance people used walkie talkies as well. So whoever drove the boat probably stayed there.
A boat parked at a dock isn't going to arouse that much suspicion that time of the year because it is the start of the summer boating season and wouldn't look out of place.
There were two or more people at the house committing the crime at all times and probably moved the wife under the cover of darkness to keep boat traffic to and from as at a minimum. People will pay attention to the sound of a boat at night on the lake and prying eyes would be there undoing. The dock had a lift and wouldn't take much to raise the boat and no one would bat an eye.
ETA: plus it said the one lot besides them was unoccupied and the other house, the owner was in Turkey and the housesitter did not notice anything out of the ordinary, so the housesitter would probably have zero idea if they couple had a boat or not so it wouldn't raise any red flags.
A boat parked at a dock isn't going to arouse that much suspicion that time of the year because it is the start of the summer boating season and wouldn't look out of place.
There were two or more people at the house committing the crime at all times and probably moved the wife under the cover of darkness to keep boat traffic to and from as at a minimum. People will pay attention to the sound of a boat at night on the lake and prying eyes would be there undoing. The dock had a lift and wouldn't take much to raise the boat and no one would bat an eye.
ETA: plus it said the one lot besides them was unoccupied and the other house, the owner was in Turkey and the housesitter did not notice anything out of the ordinary, so the housesitter would probably have zero idea if they couple had a boat or not so it wouldn't raise any red flags.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/28/18 at 11:58 am to Perrydawg
Your ETA is interesting.
The empty lot is REM’s Mike Mills lot he bought in the 90’s but never developed. Correct? The article isn’t clear. Were the empty lot and Turkey travelers literally next door or down the street a way?
ETA- the killers wouldn’t necessarily know that neighbors were on vacation so I still don’t assume the killer’s boat was there all day.
Think about this as if you were doing it. What would you do? We aren’t all that different from one another.
The empty lot is REM’s Mike Mills lot he bought in the 90’s but never developed. Correct? The article isn’t clear. Were the empty lot and Turkey travelers literally next door or down the street a way?
ETA- the killers wouldn’t necessarily know that neighbors were on vacation so I still don’t assume the killer’s boat was there all day.
Think about this as if you were doing it. What would you do? We aren’t all that different from one another.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 12:01 pm
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