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re: Mykel Williams
Posted on 12/28/23 at 3:36 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 12/28/23 at 3:36 pm to WG_Dawg
We’ve gone from the absurdity of Gurley having to sit out for making money off his signature to the absurdity of starters shopping for NIL cash every year. I agree that the kids should be able to move if they’re buried in the depth chart or their coach bails after they commit. But there needs to be some mutually agreeable guidelines.
About the only solution is for the conferences to come up with some rules and then enforce them with contractual or financial consequences if they’re broken. They hold all the keys to the money and the NCAA is worthless. Now that lawyers and politicians are involved too it would need to hold up to legal challenges.
About the only solution is for the conferences to come up with some rules and then enforce them with contractual or financial consequences if they’re broken. They hold all the keys to the money and the NCAA is worthless. Now that lawyers and politicians are involved too it would need to hold up to legal challenges.
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 3:46 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
As a side note, Williams looked away and rubbed his face when asked the question. I still remember what that means from community college Criminology class 
Posted on 12/28/23 at 3:46 pm to meansonny
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It was unconstitional.
where in the constitution does it say college football players should get paid cash, above the 6 figures worth of compensation they were already getting?
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I can't disagree with you more.
College football should be able to govern college football.
There must be a communication gap somewhere because it sounds like we are saying/wanting the same thing but you say you vehemently disagree with me?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 4:09 pm to meansonny
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Nolan was tasked with setting the edge.
It was a beautiful site to see him crushing a pulling guard collapsing the hole.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 4:44 pm to Peter Buck
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A lot of our strategy appears to be to collapse the pocket, taking away passing lanes, QB’s vision of the field and making them commit to a pass earlier than they want to.
2023 at outside linebacker felt like 2020 all over again, except way shittier. Chaz Chambliss is no Azeez Ojulari and Marvin Jones Jr. is no Adam Anderson. In Kirby we trust, but Kirby needs to figure this shite out.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 4:56 pm to Peter Buck
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A lot of fans have this weird thing that they are somehow better than some players because they are fans
Not sure what this means but I do know I’ve stuck with this team for over 30 years and some of these guys can’t even stick with it for 3-4 years.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 5:57 pm to Griffindawg
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Not sure what this means but I do know I’ve stuck with this team for over 30 years and some of these guys can’t even stick with it for 3-4 years.
Are you glad that the coaches finally got rid of mat drills? I bet those sucked. Also, how do you like running stadium steps during the middle of the summer, and how do you get into Sanford Stadium? Do you have a key? Do the 5:30 a.m. workouts suck as much as everybody says they do.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:37 pm to WG_Dawg
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where in the constitution does it say college football players should get paid cash, above the 6 figures worth of compensation they were already getting?
Lulz. That's not how the Constitution works.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:10 pm to WG_Dawg
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where in the constitution does it say college football players should get paid cash, above the 6 figures worth of compensation they were already getting?
The NCAA violated the Sherman Act by restricting compensation of athletes. They’re employees of the universities and are allowed to negotiate for their salaries.
It all started when UGA and Oklahoma sued the NCAA to let universities negotiate their own TV deals. After that, the marketplace was flooded with cash that only went to coaches and administrators. This changed public opinion about paying athletes cash instead of the intangible benefits of a college education. Pandora’s box isn’t closing.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:44 pm to WG_Dawg
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where in the constitution does it say
The US Constitution isn't a list of permissions granted to We the People. It is a list of limitations placed on the federal government from denying freedoms inherent to Americans.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:31 pm to Griffindawg
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Not sure what this means but I do know I’ve stuck with this team for over 30 years and some of these guys can’t even stick with it for 3-4 years.
It means you still haven’t earned the right to say a player sucks or is trash or garbage.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:10 pm to WG_Dawg
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It was unconstitional.
where in the constitution does it say college football players should get paid cash, above the 6 figures worth of compensation they were already getting?
The NCAA should tell Morgan and Morgan to kiss their arse when it comes to paying Jordan Davis or Brock Bowers 6 figures?
The NE Patriots play in Gillette Stadium. If David Andrews wants to sign a $3M endorsement deal with the Dollar Shave Club, there isn't a thing that the Patriots or NFL can do about it.
And if they try, it will be the laws under the constitution standing up for Boss.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:36 pm to meansonny
Hypothetically speaking….
You can’t force somebody from contracting with another party…but you can terminate your relationship with someone because of those outside relationships. It happens all the time. People in the corporate world have to disclose potential conflicts….and if I’m getting paid on the side for something my company thinks is a conflict then I can get terminated.
If the players want to treat this as “bidness” then make them sign a 12 month non-compete, be paid via a collective with all endorsement proceeds having to go into the collective and have a claw back for costs associated with training, housing and education if you leave early. Would they have those opportunities without playing for UGA? Their fame is directly related to their University.
Not Constitutional? Try having the military pay for your education and then you decide you don’t want to enlist. Or using the resources of your company to develop a patent and then try to keep that for yourself.
You can’t force somebody from contracting with another party…but you can terminate your relationship with someone because of those outside relationships. It happens all the time. People in the corporate world have to disclose potential conflicts….and if I’m getting paid on the side for something my company thinks is a conflict then I can get terminated.
If the players want to treat this as “bidness” then make them sign a 12 month non-compete, be paid via a collective with all endorsement proceeds having to go into the collective and have a claw back for costs associated with training, housing and education if you leave early. Would they have those opportunities without playing for UGA? Their fame is directly related to their University.
Not Constitutional? Try having the military pay for your education and then you decide you don’t want to enlist. Or using the resources of your company to develop a patent and then try to keep that for yourself.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:01 pm to SquatchDawg
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but you can terminate your relationship with someone because of those outside relationships. It happens all the time.
The new England patriots can fire Boss Andrews because he signs a contract with Dollar Shave Club?
bullshite.
There are conflicts of interest (i.e. Boss playing for Edmonton in the CFL).
And there are endorsement deals that have nothing to do with football.
You don't have to make up shitty examples. People are free to associate. Public universities are more hamstrung than you think with regards to free speech and expression.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:03 pm to SquatchDawg
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If the players want to treat this as “bidness” then make them sign a 12 month non-compete,
You are free to put that language in your scholarship offer.
People complain about CEO compensation all of the time. Do you know why nothing changes? Because then you are only attracting shitty CEOs and faith in your business tanks.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:43 pm to meansonny
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The new England patriots can fire Boss Andrews because he signs a contract with Dollar Shave Club? bullshite.
If his contract says he’s not allowed to make endorsement deals outside of the Pats and all endorsements of Pat players have to go through corporate…absolutely.
You can’t have it both ways. Are you saying the Constitution doesn’t allow the Pats to fire someone if they do something they don’t like?
Now, we know the NFL is a different animal but this whole “freedom” argument cuts both ways.
I can see a future where all player endorsement deals have to go through the collective or the school. Is Brock a superstar without blockers or guys on the scout team training future blockers and other people that contributed to his success? Shouldn’t they get paid for their contribution to his success?
I get the impression you’re in the financial business from you posts. Should you get 100% commission on shite you sell when the brand and your support staff do the work after the deal? Is is a free market if you consult on the side with client you have through your business?
If I went out on my own and became the spokesperson for some group our CEO didn’t like…I’d be gone inside if 6 months.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 12/29/23 at 7:23 am to SquatchDawg
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I can see a future where all player endorsement deals have to go through the collective or the school
All endorsement deals go to the university after the fact. The university is a required repository for the deals.
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Is Brock a superstar without blockers or guys on the scout team training future blockers and other people that contributed to his success? Shouldn’t they get paid for their contribution to his success?
You don't even know what name, image, and likeness is. You are arguing that Christie Brinkley's hair and makeup stylist should be listed in her centerfold contract payout. Kirby Smarts Ford commercials should stipend his coaching staff?
That's not how NIL works.
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Should you get 100% commission on shite you sell when the brand and your support staff do the work after the deal? Is is a free market if you consult on the side with client you have through your business?
Why are people throwing around such shitty examples?
Self employed people get 100% commissions and they contract out labor.
Sales people get 10%, 20%, 50%, 80% commissions. They are labor. Your example has no point because it is so far removed from reality.
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If I went out on my own and became the spokesperson for some group our CEO didn’t like…I’d be gone inside if 6 months.
Depending upon circumstances, you may or may have a lawsuit available to you. But I'm not going to create shitty examples to prove my point. The point is that the examples are unique but laws are present and must be adhered to.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 7:36 am to Rex Feral
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The NCAA violated the Sherman Act by restricting compensation of athletes.
It's not a right for athletes to get compensated to a particular degree. Let's ignore the face that they're alrady compensated to the tune of free tuition, free housing, free food, free clothes, free medical care, free tutoring, free books, etc. Plus a stipend.
And here's a few quick snippets of the Sherman Anti-trust act (which was signed before UGA had even fielded its first ever football team btw):
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The Sherman Anti-Trust Act was the first Federal act that outlawed monopolistic business practices.
The Sherman Anti-trust Act of 1890 was the first measure passed by the U.S. Congress to prohibit trusts.
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The Sherman Anti-Trust Act authorized the federal government to institute proceedings against trusts in order to dissolve them. Any combination "in the form of trust or otherwise that was in restraint of trade or commerce among the several states, or with foreign nations" was declared illegal.
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The Sherman Antitrust Act is a federal statute that prohibits activities that restrict interstate commerce and competition in the marketplace.[26] The Sherman Act prohibits undue “restraint[s] of trade.
None of that should have shite to do with with CFB, but furthermore a federal judge shouldn't have anything to do with CFB whatsoever, period.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 7:39 am to VoxDawg
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It is a list of limitations placed on the federal government from denying freedoms inherent to Americans.
No inherent freedoms were being denied, and nobody was having anything done to them against their will. I may work a shite job that I despise, but after looking over the employment agreement and signing, I'm signaling that I'll do this shite job I hate in exchange for whatever compensation/benefits will come to me for it.
When a college athlete signs the LOI and agrees to be a football playing student athlete at a school, they are knowingly and willingly giving up certain opportunities in excahnge for a whole bunhc of other opportunities. If they are so hell bent on being able ot make money by painting or rapping then they are more than welcome to not be athletes.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 7:41 am to SquatchDawg
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If the players want to treat this as “bidness” then make them sign a 12 month non-compete, be paid via a collective with all endorsement proceeds having to go into the collective and have a claw back for costs associated with training, housing and education if you leave early.
The people clamoring to treat them as employees and run it like a businses aren't going to like what comes of that. Jsut wait until a kid gets "fired" after dropping a pass. They could terminate his employment before he gets back to the sideline. "Good luck kid but you're no longer being paid and you don't work here anymore". Yeah that sounds like exactly what CFB should be..
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