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Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:07 pm to djsdawg
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They are as bad as they looked vs uf.
Yeah. Probably.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:07 pm to Crowknowsbest
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That was his plan from the very beginning. He talked about recruiting for about half of his introductory press conference.
Yes...the laughable punchline known as "the process". What does it involve?
1. Recruiting top tier talent
2. Building a full roster of said talent so that true freshman don't have to start in key postions
3. Focusing on strength and size on the line
4. Focusing on physical practices and competition
5. Paying attention to details like diet, S&C, utilizing practice time, etc.
What an idiot! Fire his arse!
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:10 pm to SquatchDawg
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Yes...the laughable punchline known as "the process". What does it involve?
1. Recruiting top tier talent
2. Building a full roster of said talent so that true freshman don't have to start in key postions
3. Focusing on strength and size on the line
4. Focusing on physical practices and competition
5. Paying attention to details like diet, S&C, utilizing practice time, etc.
Then every program in the country is trying to do "the process" wouldn't you agree? Are you aware of any team in the country that does not want to do those things?
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What an idiot! Fire his arse!
I have seen one on this board to call for that. But one is all, and I think he realizes he was overreacting.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:18 pm to DawgsLife
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Then every program in the country is trying to do "the process" wouldn't you agree? Are you aware of any team in the country that does not want to do those things?
Very few have the resources and recruiting potential to effectively implement it, though.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:23 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Very few have the resources and recruiting potential to effectively implement it, though.
Absolutely. I can name four, and that's about it right now. I was just amazed that he thought the process (If that is, indeed, the process) was some sort of secret formula that Kirby was bringing to Georgia.
Seriously....what exactly is the process? I never use the word, because it doesn't mean anything to me. The word "process" indicates it is a way of doing something, rather than an ability to do something. (Not sure if my meaning is clear)
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The four I had in mind would be Alabama, Texas, USCw and Ohio State. MAYBE FSU? If they fit the bill, though, shouldn't they be dominating every single year?
This post was edited on 11/1/16 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:32 pm to DawgsLife
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The four I had in mind would be Alabama, Texas, USCw and Ohio State. MAYBE FSU? If they fit the bill, though, shouldn't they be dominating every single year?
More than that. I would include Florida, Georgia, and LSU because of where they are. Heck, it already worked at LSU. Clemson, Auburn, TAMU, Tennessee, Michigan, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame depending on the circumstances of other programs around them.
I'm not saying it would work at all those programs, just that it could.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:38 pm to DawgsLife
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I have seen one on this board to call for that. But one is all, and I think he realizes he was overreacting.
Fair enough.
What an idiot! He sucks at coaching!
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:42 pm to Crowknowsbest
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More than that. I would include Florida, Georgia, and LSU because of where they are. Heck, it already worked at LSU. Clemson, Auburn, TAMU, Tennessee, Michigan, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame depending on the circumstances of other programs around them.
I'm not saying it would work at all those programs, just that it could.
I understand. I guess what I had in mind is on a regular basis. I mean, "the process" as defined, is something every program is trying to do. It's not some secret formula, so what, in your opinion, is the difference?
I mean, Clemson can't out recruit most teams in this area. They don't really have the resources, either. (I am assuming by resources, he meant facilities, money, coaching, etc.) Of all the teams on your list, they have done more with less.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:46 pm to SquatchDawg
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What an idiot! He sucks at coaching!
There are a few more saying that. but, at this point in his career, can you really argue against that? I mean, you guys are saying he is learning, right?
Richt sucked at coaching because he had clock management issues, lost to teams big on the big stage, and struggled against teams with inferior talent. Sound familiar?
The difference is Richt had 15 years experience and Smart is learning. However, if all those things are hallmarks of a coach whose coaching sucks then it applies to Kirby at this point in his career. Nobody knows at this point whether he will improve or not. I think he will.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:48 pm to DawgsLife
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It's not some secret formula, so what, in your opinion, is the difference?
Commitment. The school admins, athletic admins, boosters, coaches, etc. all pulling in the same direction.
Alabama isn't a naturally advantaged program particularly, but they are all in on winning in football.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:59 pm to Crowknowsbest
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It's not some secret formula, so what, in your opinion, is the difference?
Commitment. The school admins, athletic admins, boosters, coaches, etc. all pulling in the same direction.
Alabama isn't a naturally advantaged program particularly, but they are all in on winning in football.
Makes sense.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:08 pm to DawgsLife
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The four I had in mind would be Alabama, Texas, USCw and Ohio State. MAYBE FSU? If they fit the bill, though, shouldn't they be dominating every single year?
Probably have to include Michigan in that list - they have the resources to do it. Maybe Notre Dame, too.
But there's probably another factor that weighs in: having a fan base/alumni base that is patient enough to allow a team to build. If everyone demands "WIN NOW!!!!!" a program will have to use a different process
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:11 pm to FaCubeItches
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Probably have to include Michigan in that list - they have the resources to do it. Maybe Notre Dame, too.
This is true.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:12 pm to FaCubeItches
The process sounds like a great way to put $11 million in your pocket...
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:18 pm to Peter Buck
You're either a prophet or a doomsayer PB. Time will tell us the truth. I was pumped for Kirby- not gonna lie. I'm starting to be somewhat concerned but I'm giving him a pass because of recruiting and the fire in his belly.
There's a learning curve for everything and I'll withhold judgement for as long as I can. I do, however, feel that staff changes could be in order.
There's a learning curve for everything and I'll withhold judgement for as long as I can. I do, however, feel that staff changes could be in order.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:40 pm to RhodeDawg
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I do, however, feel that staff changes could be in order.
I'm still of the mind that it is way too early for staff changes. I think you have to give them a little time. On the offensive side of the ball they are not adjusting to their personnel, but I can see an argument for why they should not. Perhaps they should continue on with the power run game getting the younger guys time to learn and get acclimated to it.
Just spitballing, really.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:41 pm to FaCubeItches
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Probably have to include Michigan in that list - they have the resources to do it. Maybe Notre Dame, too.
You guys are right, of course. I'm not sure how I forgot about those two.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:42 pm to RhodeDawg
I think he can go either way honestly. Long term.
My issue is that we seem to be giving him an incredibly long leash. If we got him on the cheap and we're waiting for him to learn OTJ, that would be one thing.... but he is into us for $3.75M a year... above a lot of proven HCs out there.
He has never been a HC. His biggest upside is he learned from one of the best. That means something for sure, but it does not guarantee success.
Then, we have his business plan... sounds great, but is it really very innovative or unique?
Recruiting, the guy can certainly recruit. No one ever accused Richt of not recruiting. In fact, he was accused of squandering talent. Will Smart recruit the right guys? Maybe.
Hiring ? His D seems ok, but he took a risk at OC and it seems to not have been a good one. This will be a black mark on his career I think.
Special teams... no improvement in fact we are most likely worse off.
I'm most dissapointed with the team he got paid $3.75M to coach this year. The excuses are laughable. There is just nothing that shows me he is making people better. Maybe a tad on D... but overall, no.
So, we can hang our hat on him being a great recruiter and a mentee of a legend that won a lot of NCs and was considered a top tier coordinator...
Where have I heard that one before????????????
My issue is that we seem to be giving him an incredibly long leash. If we got him on the cheap and we're waiting for him to learn OTJ, that would be one thing.... but he is into us for $3.75M a year... above a lot of proven HCs out there.
He has never been a HC. His biggest upside is he learned from one of the best. That means something for sure, but it does not guarantee success.
Then, we have his business plan... sounds great, but is it really very innovative or unique?
Recruiting, the guy can certainly recruit. No one ever accused Richt of not recruiting. In fact, he was accused of squandering talent. Will Smart recruit the right guys? Maybe.
Hiring ? His D seems ok, but he took a risk at OC and it seems to not have been a good one. This will be a black mark on his career I think.
Special teams... no improvement in fact we are most likely worse off.
I'm most dissapointed with the team he got paid $3.75M to coach this year. The excuses are laughable. There is just nothing that shows me he is making people better. Maybe a tad on D... but overall, no.
So, we can hang our hat on him being a great recruiter and a mentee of a legend that won a lot of NCs and was considered a top tier coordinator...
Where have I heard that one before????????????
Posted on 11/1/16 at 3:23 pm to Peter Buck
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Hiring ? His D seems ok, but he took a risk at OC and it seems to not have been a good one. This will be a black mark on his career I think.
I agree with you here for sure. I'd add Beamer- I honestly think our TEs are better than they've shown- and some of it fundamentals...how to place your hands to catch a football.
Eta... Not to mention ST. Richt had better STs by coaching by committee without a ST coach.
This post was edited on 11/1/16 at 3:26 pm
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