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re: Maybe Smart wasn't ready for a head coaching job
Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:05 am to Lucius Clay
Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:05 am to Lucius Clay
Remember when Smart stayed on at Alabama through playoffs and the national championship, while he spent a couple hours after work hiring his entire UGA staff?
We are the biggest suckers on earth.
We are the biggest suckers on earth.
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:31 am to DawgsLife
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Chaney's offenses have been pretty decent. AS A WHOLE
His offenses at Purdue were great, but he was much different philosophically back then. That was an air raid, basketball on grass kind of offense.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:40 am to VADawg
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His offenses at Purdue were great, but he was much different philosophically back then. That was an air raid, basketball on grass kind of offense.
That's a good point! Do you think Kirby is set on running more of a power run offense like Alabama, or do you think he allows Chaney to slowly move towards the more pass happy offense he is more accustomed to? It looks like we are getting the QB's and WR's a more pass happy offense needs. Even Alabama has adapted their offense the last couple of years.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:45 am to DawgsLife
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Don't get excited. A lot of that is with some very bad teams. With a coordinator you have to see how the unit they were in charge of progresses, or regressed. Pittman's OLines have been very solid, and Chaney's offenses have been pretty decent. AS A WHOLE.
That's fine and dandy but here's the thing. Do you know what kind of fricking butt frickery I would have to go through to hire a sales guy who only hit 20% of his numbers? Ok so it's not an apples to apples analogy but at the end of the day you either hire someone for a) what they bring to the table or b) what they can bring to the table. Demonstrable results are tied to A and potential impact is tied to B. I don't think I need to define demonstrable results so potential impact would be shown by team success and increasing responsibilities. You're part of a winning team and take more responsibilities compared to your peers.
Chaney is fricking disaster hire.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:57 am to AmsterdamNYCDawg
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That's fine and dandy but here's the thing. Do you know what kind of fricking butt frickery I would have to go through to hire a sales guy who only hit 20% of his numbers? Ok so it's not an apples to apples analogy but at the end of the day you either hire someone for a) what they bring to the table or b) what they can bring to the table.
I understand, and that is legitimate.
However, if that sales guy has been a proven performer selling Boats, and you hired him to sell a car, would you give him a little more time to get familiar with the cars you want him to sell?
What I am saying is, Chaney and Pittman are proven. Give them time to get the type players that are required to run their offense. I am not saying they are immune to being criticized....but to can them after their first year? We will be hard pressed to talk any recruits to come here if we keep going through coordinators. For that matter, we will be hard pressed to get a decent coordinator to come here if we keep firing them after one year.
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Chaney is fricking disaster hire.
He might be and you might be exactly right. I am willing to wait and see. We felt like we would have to wait to see results from Kirby Smart, and I agree. I also think we need to wait and see on Chaney and Pittman. You might be right and I might be wrong.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:12 am to DawgsLife
How bout a board answering to the shareholders for hiring a CEO with no CEO experience at tenured CEO market rate and then asking them to wait 4 years for him to take the company to the next level... and use him being the Asian COO of a successful company who had a rockstar CEO as your support and reasoning??? While the company appears to be in a tailspin.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:17 am to Peter Buck
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While the company appears to be in a tailspin.
This isn't a tailspin. Mass transfers, bad recruiting, on and off-field chaos is a tailspin. We're two years of this away from a tailspin.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:17 am to Peter Buck
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How bout a board answering to the shareholders for hiring a CEO with no CEO experience at tenured CEO market rate and then asking them to wait 4 years for him to take the company to the next level..
And this has been my problem. As far as I know, we are one of the very, very few major Universities that hire Coordinators with no head coaching experience. (Florida did it once with Muschamp) I think we got our eye on the shiny new toy in the box and just couldn't allow anybody else to get him.
Which brings up something else I have been wondering. Muschamp has South Carolina doing ok. Not great, but probably better than last year. I wonder how Kirby would be doing had we let him go there. Obviously speculation. Without the glare of the spotlight and extra pressure, he might be doing better.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:21 am to Peter Buck
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then asking them to wait 4 years for him to take the company to the next level.
In fairness, most on here have said we should see a lot of improvement next year. I can see that, too. If we improve a lot next year, win the east in year 3 and win the conference in year 4.....I would be good with that, and I think you would, too.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:27 am to Crowknowsbest
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This isn't a tailspin. Mass transfers, bad recruiting, on and off-field chaos is a tailspin. We're two years of this away from a tailspin.
I think the general opinion of the shareholders and Wall Street writers would say the tailspin has started. His Upper management hires are already being questioned and his plan to save the company appears to be rested solely on possible acquisitions that could improve things assuming he gets the right ones.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:31 am to Peter Buck
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his plan to save the company appears to be rested solely on possible acquisitions that could improve things assuming he gets the right ones.
That was his plan from the very beginning. He talked about recruiting for about half of his introductory press conference.
The model Smart is familiar with is all about talent acquisition. The shareholders knew that when he was hired, or at least they should have.
This post was edited on 11/1/16 at 10:33 am
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:31 am to Peter Buck
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This post was edited on 11/1/16 at 10:32 am
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:33 am to Crowknowsbest
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That was his plan from the very beginning. He talked about recruiting for like half of his introductory press conference. The model Smart is familiar with is all about talent acquisition. The shareholders knew that when he was hired, or at least they should have.
I agree, but the shareholders would start asking questions on his talent culling process when he can't even pick a sound COO.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:38 am to Peter Buck
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I agree, but the shareholders would start asking questions on his talent culling process when he can't even pick a sound COO.
I would argue that Smart picked his COO based on the pieces he thinks he can most effectively attract to the company (star RBs, a powerful OL, and pro-style QBs). Time will tell if it works, just like his plan for talent acquisition.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:58 am to Sandwich
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want to believe its a talent thing, but when Michel and Chubb have 21 yards rushing,
This supports it's a talent thing. The uf dl is much more talented than our OL is.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:06 am to djsdawg
Some of y'all are treading on Al-Sahhaf grade material... hope you are right.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:19 am to djsdawg
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This supports it's a talent thing. The uf dl is much more talented than our OL is.
In every single game we or anybody else plays there will be a talent discrepency. If there was none, there would be no use in playing the game. Using your logic, you could chalk it up to play calling and game planning.
We didn't call the right plays, so they didn't get the yards. However, I have no problem saying that Florida's DL is better than our OL, since they have recruited four 4* and two 5* since 2014 on the DL.
The argument isn't whether our OL is good or not. It is whether they are as bad as they have shown or not.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:36 am to Sandwich
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His first team ranks among the worst Georgia assemblages of the past half-century.
Isn't this just a "the cupboard is bare" type of statement? If the group of players he has is one of the worst in the last 50 years, then he has virtually nothing to work with.
Seems like the author is trying to make the rare chicken AND egg argument.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:44 am to FaCubeItches
My earlier statement was very coffee fueled and probably knee-jerk. Still hard to look at the losses this year and not get upset.
But with all the business analogies we got going on. New CEOs are typically given a 3 year period in order to drive a couple of goals - new business acquisition / higher customer retention which leads to increased revenue at low to moderate impact to operating costs. These goals they are driving to are aligned with the goals of the company / shareholders.
Relating this to UGA. As a fan I'm absolutely on board with giving Kirby the keys to the kingdom, it's his job and he needs those to be successful. However, as a fan, I sit here and question if he has a plan. If he does have a plan then how does he not gameplan against UF, they were entirely beatable. I want the coach to win at leas 90% of the games that are 'winnable' and maybe win 50% of the remainder that are toss ups. I don't feel like the coaching staff has a plan that gets us to that percentage based on what we've seen as far as talent utilization.
But with all the business analogies we got going on. New CEOs are typically given a 3 year period in order to drive a couple of goals - new business acquisition / higher customer retention which leads to increased revenue at low to moderate impact to operating costs. These goals they are driving to are aligned with the goals of the company / shareholders.
Relating this to UGA. As a fan I'm absolutely on board with giving Kirby the keys to the kingdom, it's his job and he needs those to be successful. However, as a fan, I sit here and question if he has a plan. If he does have a plan then how does he not gameplan against UF, they were entirely beatable. I want the coach to win at leas 90% of the games that are 'winnable' and maybe win 50% of the remainder that are toss ups. I don't feel like the coaching staff has a plan that gets us to that percentage based on what we've seen as far as talent utilization.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:48 am to FaCubeItches
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Isn't this just a "the cupboard is bare" type of statement? If the group of players he has is one of the worst in the last 50 years, then he has virtually nothing to work with.
Seems like the author is trying to make the rare chicken AND egg argument.
I see your point, but we have all seen a team that had pretty good players and did not play up to their potential. This team has done that against Nicholls, Vanderbilt and South Carolina. Talent does not always equal results. Look at ole Miss and Tennessee this year.
And, yes. Mark Richt had teams that did not play up to their potential, too. (Thought I would throw that out there before somebody else felt the need.
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