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re: Looks like the Falcons coulda had Gurley and a better DE than Beasley

Posted on 1/11/16 at 3:20 am to
Posted by bigdawg7780
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 3:20 am to
So you made my case for me about Beasley being a one trick, specialist player and not an every down difference maker which is what you take in the top 10 in the draft. It's ok after Beasley is Jamal Anderson part 2 and is out of Atlanta in 3-4 years, TD and Quinn are fired maybe then Atlanta can build a decent team again. Just sucks Matt Ryan will be 33, so we'll be looking for a QB again in the not to distant future at that point.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 4:45 am to
So now you're just moving the goal posts. First it was a huge tackle difference, but after I school you on why, you now bitch about one-trick pony nonsense.

You clearly have no clue how Quinn's scheme works or how football works in general.

Quinn uses a rotation for a reason. Cliff Avril (the LEO in Seattle), for instance, only played about 768 of their 966 defensive snaps. Because they purposely have different personnel packages for specific situations.

The LEO is very specifically a pass rushing specialist in the 4-3 Under defense that Quinn runs. That doesn't mean Beasley can't play the run or tackle, it's simply not his job in our defense.

And Beasley was throttled back in the first half of the season and slowly began playing more and more snaps. He played 221 in the first 8 games (45%) and 318 in the last 8 games (70%).

Look I know you're butthurt about not getting your way and having the world agree with your hindsight GM game so you can feel smart and glow from the attention, but guys like you who think you can build a team from behind a keyboard after the stats are compiled and act like you saw it all beforehand are just irritating attention whores.

I mean you're already to the point where the success of the team you root for no longer matters. You want so bad to say "I told ya so" just so you can get attention and rub it in people's faces that you're already calling Beasley, Jamal Anderson 2.0. Which is asinine since you can't possibly know if it's accurate. Which means you're just a tool.

Stop being a douche and do something constructive rather than use hyperbole and hindsight to make biased unfounded statements of supposed fact that isn't. All it does is make you look like a whiny bitch.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 5:28 am to
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Preston Smith


With the Falcons needing a pass rusher like they did, had they picked a RB and then picked Preston Smith in the second round they would have been crucified on this board AND around the NFL. Let's face it. It's always easy to draft a couple of years AFTER a draft. How many on here or in the NFL could have seen Preston Smith doing what he did? I mean, it looks like there were around 40 people picked ahead of him, so the Falcons were not the only ones surprised by his production. And honestly.....I LOVE Todd Gurley and wish he were a Falcon. But with his injury history he scared me, too.
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 5:36 am to
You mention AP like he isn't 30 years old and just had a 1 year ban from the NFL.

Plus you can look at what E Lacy and J Starks did to negate that comment in the playoffs. Or you could us A Blue who got almost 100 yards too.

Plus you are the genius who said no superbowl winning teams draft a rb in the top 10. When was the last time NE got a top 10 draft pick? When was the last time GB, or Seattle got a top 10 draft pick?

Either way, point is Gurley has done way more at the 10th pick in this draft, than Vic B has done this season. Plus Gurley missed a few games and wasn't even a year removed from an ACL injury.

Again, Gurley > Beasley. I would of been happy with Gurley instead of VB, but I would of just rather of wanted someone else than VB at number 8. Honestly if we could of traded back that would of been ideal instead of taken VB.


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Also Gurley gets a knock of being injury prone, but I think it is very unjustified. Spraining your ankle like he did vs LSU does not make him injury prone. One ACL injury does not make him injury prone. THe ACL is his first real injury, so being injured 1 time does not make someone injury prone. Sprain ankles shouldn't count for someone being injury prone, especially considering that was the only sprain ankle injury he has ever had.
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 5:46 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 5:58 am to
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Also Gurley gets a knock of being injury prone, but I think it is very unjustified. Spraining your ankle like he did vs LSU does not make him injury prone. One ACL injury does not make him injury prone.


While true, you have to admit that two injuries in two years makes him suspect. I mean, if it were your money would you give a regular RB millions of dollars after having two injuries in two years with one of those injuries an injury that is very difficult to come back from? I think his suspension also gave an impression that he was a bit unreliable. I mean, we were all frustrated with it, weren't we?

Again...it is always easy to say what should have been done in a draft one or two years after the draft.
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 5:59 am
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 6:40 am to
This whole thread is pointless because of this:

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it is always easy to say what should have been done in a draft one or two years after the draft.


Dude played hurt all year. I think it's a tad early to say whether or not we made a good pick, and even more pointless to single out a player that we should have picked (Gurley) at a position that is not an immediate need (see the leading scorer in fantasy this year, D Freeman)
Posted by SumterCoDawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:24 am to
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You mention AP like he isn't 30 years old and just had a 1 year ban from the NFL
Still the best back in the league dumbfrick
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Plus you are the genius who said no superbowl winning teams draft a rb in the top 10. When was the last time NE got a top 10 draft pick? When was the last time GB, or Seattle got a top 10 draft pick?
Notice how I said they don't draft running backs even anywhere in the first round.
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Plus you can look at what E Lacy and J Starks did to negate that comment in the playoffs.
A whopping 63 yards from Lacy, really killing it. Also he was a late second round pick and alfed blue was like a 5th round pick. There's great value in running backs later in the draft.

You're biased because Gurley played for your favorite college team and you wanted to see him in a falcons uniform. You claim that if somebody gave you millions like the GMs get payed you'd be able to do better even though you have no experience and no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 8:58 am to
Correct, and I agree on all points.


I understand where they are coming from. We are UGA fans and would love to see an UGA player play for the hometown pro team. But as you pointed out.....it's easy to see how a draft should go a year or two AFTER the draft.
Posted by WhopperDawg
Member since Aug 2013
3073 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:43 am to
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By your dumb logic, you guys would be sitting here whining about Mack not being worth the 5th pick


You consistently compare Beasley to Mack as the standard. So, you are predicting Mack second year numbers for second year Beasley? If not quit comparing them as it is Mack's second year improvement on which your argument rests.

Also, Freeman was probably the surprise player of the year, so any discounting of Gurley has absolutely nothing to do with Freeman.

Would I have taken Gurley over Beasley? Not on your life. Did I like the pick? Yep. Does Beasley have a tough row to hoe playing for the Falcons and the only semi-legit pass rusher on the whole damn team? You bet. Did he do OK? Yeah. Did he do great? No. Will be blossom ala Mack next year? We'll see. If I were a betting man, and I am, I'll take the under on that one, but I hope like hell I am wrong. To get there the Falcons need at least one other pass rusher, and if it were me I would spend this year's 1 on that if there in one left at 17 which I doubt. Dimitroff is not good at much and he certainly is not good at picking up much at all outside of the top ten.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44754 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:45 am to
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We are UGA fans and would love to see an UGA player play for the hometown pro team


This is the problem, not for you specifically, but for a lot on this board. You guys do realize the Falcons have no obligation to take Georgia players and that their obligation is to take whoever they feel best fits their needs regardless of college, right?

The biggest hole on this team was pass rush. At 8, they addressed that with the consensus best pass rusher available. Beasley played this season with a torn labrum. Let him get healthy and give him another year now that he's used to NFL game speed.

If Gurley played his college ball at UCLA, none of you would be bitching about this.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:59 am to
So true
Posted by Broncothor
Member since Jul 2014
3050 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:06 am to
They also have an obligation to fill seats, bring in ratings and grow a fan base. All of which is boosted by drafting UGA players when the talent level is there.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22844 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:19 am to
So you think it's smart to draft a position they don't need with the 8th pick so maybe a few more people will watch the game, as opposed to drafting a position desperately needed to make your team better? Just checking.
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30541 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:24 am to
I'm glad you aren't running the show
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42483 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:46 am to
Yeah, I meant that he was a very good pass rusher for a rookie. Gurley is pretty close to elite already, but when you have a top 10 pick, and running back isn't a need, you stay away from that. You can always find good RBs later.
Posted by Broncothor
Member since Jul 2014
3050 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:20 am to
I said "when the talent is there". In other words if needs and talent are close between several players, a UGA player should get the nod.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:39 am to
Know what fills seats more than anything else? Winning. You can't win in the NFL if you can't get after the QB.
Posted by VADawg
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:43 am to
Pass rush was a MUCH bigger need than RB going into the draft last year. Beasley to the Falcons made perfect sense given what Atlanta needed and who was available.

You remind me of the people who kept saying bring Tebow to the Jags to help them sell tickets. Instead, they went and drafted Bortles. That seemed to work out ok for them.
Posted by Broncothor
Member since Jul 2014
3050 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:50 am to
And you remind me of people who cannot comprehend what they read. All I said, in response to a specific comment, that "if the talent is there", meaning for whatever need your are looking for if there is a UGA player with similar talent than the other prospects, then lean toward the player more popular in the area. I have said it three times now. If you don't get it, you just don't.

edit: I wasn't specifically speaking of Gurley or last year's draft. Just a generic statement.

This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 11:52 am
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 2:00 pm to
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You consistently compare Beasley to Mack as the standard. So, you are predicting Mack second year numbers for second year Beasley? If not quit comparing them as it is Mack's second year improvement on which your argument rests.

I already explained they play different positions, so no I was NOT directly comparing them.

My point was clear that bleak rookie numbers are not always definitively indicative of future performance, and Mack is a shining example of this. No prediction was made by me or even needs to made to make that point. Several of the vocal detractors in this thread have clearly suggested that the #8 pick not being a superstar from day 1 means it was a bad pick. My point is look at Mack to see that making such a definitive statement is dumb.

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Also, Freeman was probably the surprise player of the year, so any discounting of Gurley has absolutely nothing to do with Freeman.

Who "discounted" Gurley? I certainly didn't.

My point with this was that if we would have picked Gurley, as some folks here have suggested, we'd be sitting on two superstar RB's, which would mean one of them is being wasted and/or we were less than optimally efficient with our picks.

I'm not using hindsight or claiming Freeman was a known commodity. I'm stating what the end result would have actually been if we picked Gurley. If Gurley were on the Falcons right now, we would in fact have two superstar elite RB's, and likely not know that Freeman is as good as he is. And, we'd be even worse off at pass rush. We have absolutely no idea who we would have picked in the second round and if they would be better than Beasley.

And lastly, it has already been established that Quinn and Pioli have more to do with player scouting and evaluation now than Dimitroff. TD is the football operations guy more than he is the lead on draft selection anymore. Blank held press conferences explaining this. Hence why everyone the entire offseason was asking why keep him then if he's not going to have final say on personnel. Remember this? It was pretty widely discussed and questioned.
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 2:04 pm
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