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re: Ledbetter's charges dropped
Posted on 5/26/16 at 8:39 am to tylerdurden24
Posted on 5/26/16 at 8:39 am to tylerdurden24
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There's a difference between overhearing a convo and having something written into a police report that is then published in a major paper
The police report isn't legitimate though, per the same newspapers.
ETA: I know I'm being difficult, but this is kind of opening pandora's box in terms of what does and doesn't constitute an alcohol violation.
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 8:47 am to Crowknowsbest
The police report is still a police report regardless of whether or not the charges are legit. Which is why I said unless something else happens (such as it coming out the PD made the whole thing up or another player can confirm that he wasn't drinking downtown) they're going to operate under the assumption that he was still violating school policy and (perhaps most importantly) that it is public knowledge published in a newspaper
ETA: Suspensions are just as much a disciplinary action as they are a show of force for the public. You start causing problems when the public knows (or is led to believe) that something happened and nothing was done about it
ETA: Suspensions are just as much a disciplinary action as they are a show of force for the public. You start causing problems when the public knows (or is led to believe) that something happened and nothing was done about it
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 8:50 am
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:06 am to tylerdurden24
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they are a show of force for the public.
This is bullshite imo. The public doesn't give a flying frick about some 19 year old drinking. There really isn't any moral outrage over underage drinking anymore. It would be different if he was driving a car.
The only people that care are rival fans.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:08 am to Crowknowsbest
In my opinion, if the charges are dropped the school should also drop the punishment. They could do a personal meeting and punish the player in house but following thru with gametime punishment when other institutions would not is foolish and it serves no purpose. Instead of helping players like Nick Saban seeks to do when his kids get in trouble (Robinson and Hooty) we instead seek to punish and shoot ourselves in the foot. It's pretty silly
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:16 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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In my opinion, if the charges are dropped the school should also drop the punishment. They could do a personal meeting and punish the player in house but following thru with gametime punishment when other institutions would not is foolish and it serves no purpose. Instead of helping players like Nick Saban seeks to do when his kids get in trouble (Robinson and Hooty) we instead seek to punish and shoot ourselves in the foot. It's pretty silly
Exactly. UGA is hurting itself and publicly hanging kids out to dry with the only intention being to gain some sense of the moral high ground over offenses that no one cares about.
Most of these offenses are dealt with by going to a class for a couple hours so the charges get expunged, but UGA makes a big dog and pony show out of it to look tough.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:19 am to Crowknowsbest
Point being in this day and age with Baylor and FSU and Penn State and UNC and on and on, people are itching to make a big deal out of a cover up (no matter how asinine). And while covering up underage drinking shouldn't be a big deal at all, its not the kind of negative attention you want to invite in with a new HC and a new program. We can get into the ins and outs of how ridiculous UGAs drinking and drug policies are but the fact remains that the policy is what it is, the media knows it, the public knows it, and the students know it. Just don't do dumb shite (or at least don't put yourself in a position to get caught) and there won't be anything to worry about
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:24 am to Crowknowsbest
Again, this is a long term problem that UGA has made for itself with its policies. In this specific case, there's nothing to be done unless Kirby feels he has the leverage to make a change to the way things are handled.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:26 am to tylerdurden24
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Point being in this day and age with Baylor and FSU and Penn State and UNC and on and on, people are itching to make a big deal out of a cover up (no matter how asinine). And while covering up underage drinking shouldn't be a big deal at all, its not the kind of negative attention you want to invite in with a new HC and a new program.
You don't have to cover anything up. Just say "there is no longer an alcohol charge pending, so we're not suspending him. We will handle any discipline internally." Rival fans type something stupid on message boards for an hour, and it's gone.
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Just don't do dumb shite (or at least don't put yourself in a position to get caught) and there won't be anything to worry about
I would argue that this didn't even qualify as dumb shite.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:42 am to Crowknowsbest
2/3 of the under 21 kids at UGA have fake IDs and most drink. It's fricking stupid to arrest them unless they are driving or creating a violent disturbance.
Maybe if the cops weren't so busy playing gotcha, they could be more available to stop real crimes...
Maybe if the cops weren't so busy playing gotcha, they could be more available to stop real crimes...
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:42 am to Crowknowsbest
I don't know man, drinking to the point of drunkeness on the patio of a bar in downtown Athens as a Georgia football player is some pretty dumb shite I'm not saying the actual drinking was bad but you've got to know your environment and the risks. If you're going to drink underage, do it at a house or actually INSIDE the bar where a cop walking by can't pick you out as an easy target
Eta: now as Peter said, you an very well make the argument that the real dumb shite are the cops that play gotcha with all students downtown
I'm not saying the actual drinking was bad but you've got to know your environment and the risks. If you're going to drink underage, do it at a house or actually INSIDE the bar where a cop walking by can't pick you out as an easy target Eta: now as Peter said, you an very well make the argument that the real dumb shite are the cops that play gotcha with all students downtown
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 9:44 am
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:46 am to tylerdurden24
He shouldn't be a target unless he was doing something else to break the law that was clear and evident.
It's hard to be discrete when you are a good bit taller and bigger than everyone... Even more for the black dudes.
It's hard to be discrete when you are a good bit taller and bigger than everyone... Even more for the black dudes.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:50 am to Peter Buck
Could argue that he was profiled. But from the police report and other folks I've talked to about it, he was pretty clearly drunk which is what drew attention (in addition to his stature)
Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:14 am to tylerdurden24
I wonder what Eric Z has to say about this after all the shite he pulled at Sky's?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:20 am to Peter Buck
Like most other letterman of the 90s and earlier, probably wondering how he made it out of Athens with a clean record and clean bill of health
Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:21 am to tylerdurden24
As a player and a big dude that sticks out, you def have to not get sloppy as you call attention to yourself and you scare people. Honestly though, the number one reason for me fighting back then was sloppy drunk frat boys trying to show off that they aren't afraid of a big football player. Then I had to kick his arse and then get jumped by 10 of them and then 4 or 5 football players get my back and then we are the bad guys... fricking frat boys... Of course, we just had to meet coach T at 5 am to pay those debts... Hungover in the Wnter time usually.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:16 am to Peter Buck
Know the story of the weaver bros having to go down to a frat house to kick some arse after some racial comments were made?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:48 pm to tylerdurden24
I didn't hear that one, but the black frat fight in the Mac parking lot would have made national headlines today.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:49 pm to tylerdurden24
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Unless something else gives Kirby et al reason not to comply with that policy, he's going to be suspended.
I think something is in the works based on what kirby said today
Posted on 6/1/16 at 5:49 am to Crowknowsbest
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So if McGarity or Kirby overhears Eason talking about how shitfaced he got the night before, he gets suspended for the first game?
Look at it this way, Crow. If the police overhear a guy bragging he killed someone, (committed any other crime) they are going to investigate. if they find credible proof that what he said is true, they will bring charges, will they not? There is credible proof that Ledbetter was indeed drinking underage and did have a fake ID. I don't know how Kirby handles it, but we have to stop looking at it from the perspective of what we hope happens and reality. The reality is that Ledbetter did what he is accused and was caught. I have high hopes for his development here at UGA.....but it could keep him out of trouble later on if he learns a valuable lesson now.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 6:07 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 6:00 am to Crowknowsbest
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Exactly. UGA is hurting itself and publicly hanging kids out to dry with the only intention being to gain some sense of the moral high ground over offenses that no one cares about.
Not really. Georgia does not and should not discipline players according to what other schools do. if that were the case we would be holding team votes right now and would be well on our way to becoming Auburn. Every school does things differently.
It's not a matter of "moral high ground". It's a matter of what the school thinks is fair and correct. Moral high ground is something fans claim to make us feel better about school policies that we disagree with. But here is the thing for me. The school has set forth a policy and have told these guys what is expected. the players have been told if they violate these policies what the consequences are. If the players choose to violate those policies they should expect to face those consequences. As fans we need to quit excusing dumb behavior when players knowingly and willingly violate school/team policy.
I also understand what I am saying will get me blasted.
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