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Posted on 7/10/16 at 7:19 pm to LewDawg
He didn't hit another car. Bad decision but you can't expand. I am guessing double secret no more strikes suspension and assignment to some program.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 7:24 pm to Dawgs9
Could you possibly be more dramatic about it? I acknowledged it being a poor decision and he needs to be punished severely but I don't want to see him kicked off the team.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 7:24 pm to Broncothor
Auburn lock.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 7:29 pm to RedFive
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Could you possibly be more dramatic about it? I acknowledged it being a poor decision and he needs to be punished severely but I don't want to see him kicked off the team.
He's not being overly dramatic. Check out the statistics on drunk fatalities and it is quite common. I have had a couple of friends die at the hands of a drunk driver.
I don't want to see him kicked off the team....but if you have ever played football (Or sports in general) at a high level, then you know that teammates that are selfish can be a cancer to the team and hurt the team more than help them.
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Think about this.
In 2014, 9,967 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.1
Of the 1,070 traffic deaths among children ages 0 to 14 years in 2014, 209 (19%) involved an alcohol-impaired driver.1
Of the 209 child passengers ages 14 and younger who died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes in 2014, over half (116) were riding in the vehicle with the alcohol-impaired driver.1
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Think about that. 209 kids aged 0-14 killed in one year in accidents involving alcohol. He's not being overly dramatic at all.
This post was edited on 7/10/16 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 7/10/16 at 7:37 pm to DawgsLife
You can't what if everything to death. We all know people die from drunk drivers, no one needs a reminder. Saban can keep kids around for far worse offenses and still have the respect of his players, Kirby can do the same.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 7:45 pm to RedFive
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You can't what if everything to death.
It's not a what if. It happens. WAY too often. I understand what you are saying, but it is a very real situation in our country.
What should we do when a guy is caught driving drunk once? Twice? Three times? Four times? There have been instances where a driver has been caught as many as seven times and has been put on probation. Then he finally kills somebody and it's too late. If you don't play "What if" somebody is definitely going to get killed. I'm not willing to wait until somebody loses their life, or their wife or childrens lives.
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Saban can keep kids around for far worse offenses and still have the respect of his players, Kirby can do the same.
This isn't a matter of losing respect, though. Like I said...I would hate to lose him. I think he can be a really special player. I'm not willing to wait until somebody gets killed though. Remember the kid from Georgia that played for Auburn and got killed a couple of years ago? Alcohol was involved.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 7:46 pm to Dawgs9
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dismissal time and not the end of the world if the drunk s.o.b. ran a red light or stop sign, ect, and killed on of your kids, or someone you knew?
Boot his arse and set the tone now
Why not wait to see how drunk he was before jumping to conclusions?
Posted on 7/10/16 at 7:50 pm to djsdawg
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Why not wait to see how drunk he was before jumping to conclusions?
True. And a good point. Right now let's take a wait and see attitude.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 8:00 pm to DawgsLife
I'm not sure how to say this without it sounding coarse so I'll just say it. Those DUI stats don't matter, what matters is only what he is guilty of and as of right now he didn't kill anyone. If the sole deciding factor of rather he stays on the team or goes is based off what could have happened then it's screwed up and unfair.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 8:12 pm to RedFive
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If the sole deciding factor of rather he stays on the team or goes is based off what could have happened then it's screwed up and unfair.
So what do we know? he has been arrested twice for alcohol offenses, right? In your opinion, when does a coach say, "That's enough."?
I am not arguing that he should be kicked off the team.
Please understand that. IF he is guilty as charged and his blood/alcohol comes in high...I am asking you, how far do you let it go? because if you can't kick somebody off the team based upon what could have happened, then it sounds like you are saying they should not be kicked off until they actually kill somebody.
Again....it's not like it hasn't happened before.
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Posted on 7/10/16 at 9:50 pm to DawgsLife
So if you got a jail term for speeding instead of a ticket because you could have caused a wreck with death/injuries you would find that fair??
This post was edited on 7/10/16 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 7/11/16 at 6:12 am to RedFive
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So if you got a jail term for speeding instead of a ticket because you could have caused a wreck with death/injuries you would find that fair??
You realize what you are saying?
1. You can go to jail for speeding.
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2. You PROBABLY get a ticket for speeding....why? because it is unsafe and you could cause a wreck.
There are all kinds of laws on the books to make sure others do not get hurt.
1. You can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
2. Speeding. (Is there anything wrong with going fast other than you MIGHT hurt someone?
3. Try not paying your taxes. jail time and other penalties...nobody's life is in danger.
4. Making terroristic threats in and of themselves hurt nobody. I wouldn't do it, though. Jail time even if you don't hurt anybody or have an intention to hurt anybody.
5. Yes, a DUI can get you jail time.
6. Walk into a bank without a gun and as a prank place a note on a tellers window saying you want all the money and see what happens.
7. Go to the airport and tell a Ticket Agent you have a bomb....guess what will happen.
And lets get back to your example....you aren't comparing speeding to a DUI, are you?
However....as DJS said....why don't we wait and see what his BAC was. Nobody wants him off the team. But my point is that a DUI is very serious. It is MUCH more than speeding.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 7:06 am to DawgsLife
Oh noes, we got a SJW up in here.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda... Fighting a war for justice... Makes me feel accomplished and good about my shitty insecure life to see others punished.
GTFO
Coulda, woulda, shoulda... Fighting a war for justice... Makes me feel accomplished and good about my shitty insecure life to see others punished.
GTFO
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:10 am to BeefDawg
A big part of winning in college football is having more really good players than the other guy. If you kick off and suspend 5-10 a year, the numbers eventually catch up to you. Conversely, if you use it as a means to cull non really good players to make room for more possible really good players, then it can be a plus. Alabama does it that way... We never have....
I really don't like that it is that way, but it is that way...
I really don't like that it is that way, but it is that way...
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:31 am to DawgsLife
I read the first sentence and realized I'm talking to a wall. Enjoy your day.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:50 am to AllDawg
Sooooo....he wasn't actually driving. He was sleeping when the police found him.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:51 am to BeefDawg
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Coulda, woulda, shoulda... Fighting a war for justice... Makes me feel accomplished and good about my shitty insecure life to see others punished.
No. Not at all. But I don't want drunk drivers on the road with my kids, either. Sorry you disagree and see nothing wrong with sharing the road with drunken people.
I find your stance odd, at best.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:53 am to RedFive
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I read the first sentence and realized I'm talking to a wall. Enjoy your day.
You realize I feel the same way, right?
I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. It's fine. I wish people on this board did not get so mad when people have differing opinions.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:01 am to DawgRff
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Sooooo....he wasn't actually driving. He was sleeping when the police found him.
Sleeping....... in a running car.... in the middle of an intersection. What a POS.
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