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re: Jenkins Wishes He'd Worked Harder

Posted on 12/21/13 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by Padawgjr
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Posted on 12/21/13 at 12:44 pm to
Let's just come to the realization that CMR will never have a prepared football team. I can only recall a few games in 10 years we have played a complete football game, for 4 quarters. He always has the "bad half" or one great quarter. We are never prepared for an entire game in all fascists of Offense, Defense, and ST under Richt.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/21/13 at 12:53 pm to
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Been watching UGA since the 60's and Gurley is as close to the phenom you say Richt needs as any I've seen, other than Herschel of course. We need a defense like the 80's teams had that went along with Herschel.


Gurley is very close for sure but he lacks Herschel's incredible speed for his size/weight. Still, with a healthy Gurley behind an elite level OL and a solid defense, I agree that CMR could win a NC in spite of his limitations. The problem of course is that the lack of an elite OL and solid defense are at least in part due to Mark's limitations. Jenkins' admission is exhibit A. A great coach must be inspirational and instill discipline in such a way that players are excited about doing extra work to attain excellence for their team which will lead to great individual recognition as well. You better believe many scouts will be watching the NC game between Auburn and FSU trying to identify those special players to recommend for the next level.
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
47325 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 1:04 pm to
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CockInYourEar

man, after losing yalls superbowl this year you've grown more and more bitter by the week
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 1:06 pm to
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You're unbearable sometimes. He meant "Clowney-esque" in that he has been lazy. He wasn't comparing him to Clowney.




I know exactly what he meant, and exactly what I meant, but somebody missed the boat.
Posted by Padawgjr
Member since Sep 2012
1017 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 1:07 pm to
Gurley beat Marshall in the 110 hurdles during the North Carolina state Track Championship. I'd say he is pretty close to Hurshall speed. Marshall did beat Gurley in the 100 Meter Dash.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 1:09 pm to
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after losing yalls superbowl this year


we didn't have any superbowls this year, we got a Cap One Bowl coming up though.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 5:37 pm to
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Gurley beat Marshall in the 110 hurdles during the North Carolina state Track Championship. I'd say he is pretty close to Hurshall speed. Marshall did beat Gurley in the 100 Meter Dash.


The 40 yard dash wasn't prevalent back in Herschel's day but he ran a 4.25 time in the 40 with the Dallas Cowboys. Herschel was also a track star at Georgia with a 9.3 100 yard dash and was on our championship relay team. Gurley's best time in the 40 according to nfldraftscout.com is 4.43. LINK That is obviously a very good time but not quite in Herschel's league. Still, if our OL was elite, a healthy Gurley should be statistically the best RB in the SEC. The problem of course is we don't have an elite OL. In fact, most of our offensive yardage and TD's have come through Murray's arm which is why Aaron's stats are so impressive. Georgia was 47th in rushing yards per game this season and 38th last season. Not very impressive with 2 of the best RB's in college football though granted injuries to both were a major factor this season. Bottom line: we get excellent skill players on offense but we definitely need to recruit better on the OL and coach up the talent we can get.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63897 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 5:51 pm to
What would you say if, and I mean if, I told you Gurley and Marshall, this year and last year, both had over 6ypc, and the center, right guard, and right tackle were responsible for the first 3 of those ypc?
This post was edited on 12/21/13 at 5:53 pm
Posted by Sanford&MunSon
T'Ville
Member since Jan 2013
2901 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 5:56 pm to
Yeah Gurley has got great burst and acceleration, but I think he is more in the 4.45-4.5 range as far 40 times go. I believe Herschel was more in the 4.35 range on average from everything that I've read. Plus Walker was an all american track athlete in college.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 6:13 pm to
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What would you say if, and I mean if, I told you Gurley and Marshall, this year and last year, both had over 6ypc, and the center, right guard, and right tackle were responsible for the first 3 of those ypc?


I would say that averages are not as significant as performance in big games and staying healthy. I would also cite that without Gurley and Marshall, we had a 3.1 rushing yard average vs Vandy (which does not earn first downs) and we had less rushing and passing yards than Vandy did in that game.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63897 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 6:29 pm to
How does that relate to the offensive line? Specifically, your supposition that the ol is shitty.
Posted by Brick67
Member since Oct 2012
1303 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 6:48 pm to
CIY...you missed my point. An article of Clowney early on stated Clowney was not putting in the work in practice and was allowed to (paraphrasing) mail it in. So Clowney didn't practice as hard as his teammated did and he relied on his undoubtedly gifted athleticism to carry him through and it eventually showed. It is the work ethic/attitue that it would be "given" to you I am referring to.
Posted by Brick67
Member since Oct 2012
1303 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 6:50 pm to
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The fact he can speak clearly and is an intelligent kid makes him nothing like Clowney at all...
Posted by Brick67
Member since Oct 2012
1303 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 6:55 pm to
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Bottom line: we get excellent skill players on offense but we definitely need to recruit better on the OL and coach up the talent we can get.


This ^

An elite OL can make a good backfield great. A mediocre OL can make an all star backfield avg.
Posted by JRDawg77
Member since Oct 2013
707 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 8:26 pm to
Wonder if similar articles could be found for top 5 programs like Bama, OSU, Barn, LSU, etc...... I'm going out on a limb and say NO.

Think this speaks volumes about the coaching staff.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 8:52 pm to
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How does that relate to the offensive line? Specifically, your supposition that the ol is shitty.


Nowhere did I suggest that our OL is "shitty" but they are far from elite which is what it takes to have an elite running game against even excellent defenses like Alabama's (note Auburn's 296 rushing yards vs Bama in the Iron Bowl). The correlation with my Vandy example is pretty obvious. Vandy is far from an elite defense and if we had a good OL they should be able sustain a 3.4 rushing yard average (what it takes to get first downs) with serviceable RB's against a team like Vandy.
This post was edited on 12/21/13 at 9:14 pm
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:04 pm to
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An elite OL can make a good backfield great. A mediocre OL can make an all star backfield avg.


The latter is pretty much our situation. 47th in the nation in rushing yardage doesn't cut it when you have the talent we have at RB even with Gurley out for several games. 10 teams in the SEC had more rushing yardage than Georgia, including Tennessee, Ole Miss and MSU. We were 4th in the SEC in Total Offense because we had 3765 passing yards. LINK
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63897 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:04 pm to
Any triple option offense will have alot of rushing yards against anyone. See GT vs UGA in 2012 when they had 300+ rushing but only 10 points to show for it.


And as you mentioned, Auburn's yards vs Bama this year.


Do you really believe the secret to Tre Mason's success is Auburn's offensive line?


Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:09 pm to
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Do you really believe the secret to Tre Mason's success is Auburn's offensive line?



Actually I do and I think Coach Malzahn would be one of the first to credit his OL though granted they get very good blocking across the board including their RB's and receivers. It is also well known that cut blocking by the OL is the key to success in Paul Johnson's triple option. Indeed OL play is a priority in any good offense.
This post was edited on 12/21/13 at 9:13 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63897 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:14 pm to
So all UGA's OL needs to do is cut block... even though Gurley and Marshall both had the same or better yards per carry than Tre Mason?
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