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re: I'm envious of Arkansas
Posted on 10/17/16 at 7:35 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 10/17/16 at 7:35 am to DawgsLife
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Our roster is littered with 4* and 5* players.
But not where it counts in the trenches.
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Arkansas gets half the talent we get every year. Shall we look up the recruiting rankings over the last 3-4 years?
Yet they just beat Ole Miss, the same team that blew us out. The difference? Arkansas has better players in the trenches than we do, an experienced QB and talented, tall receivers. And yes, they have a veteran HC while our HC is in his first season as a HC.
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 7:38 am to GurleyGirl
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But not where it counts in the trenches.
We might not have a lot of depth, but we certainly do have talent.
In that same timeframe we have signed 4 OL 4* or above
and 10 DL 4* or above. We moved one of those 4* DL over to the OL.
To say "the cupboard is bare is wrong. Would you like to guess how many 4* and 5* OL and DL Arkansas, Missouri, Vanderbilt, Nicholls and South Carolina have on their roster?
Posted on 10/17/16 at 7:39 am to GurleyGirl
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Yet they just beat Ole Miss, the same team that blew us out.
Yes, they did. So..if it's not talent, what is the problem?
Posted on 10/17/16 at 7:43 am to GurleyGirl
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he difference? Arkansas has better players in the trenches than we do,
In the same span of time Arkansas has recruited the following:
4 OL 4* (no 5*)...we had 5
7 DL 4* (No 5*)...we had 9 4* and 1 5*
Still think Arkansas has more talent in the trenches?
Posted on 10/17/16 at 7:45 am to FaCubeItches
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 7:48 am to DawgsLife
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In the same span of time Arkansas has recruited the following:
4 OL 4* (no 5*)...we had 5
7 DL 4* (No 5*)...we had 9 4* and 1 5*
Actually look out on the field. Our senior center gets blasted into the backfield every snap. Our best starter is a guard being forced to play RT who, btw, got benched at one point last year. Rounding out the unit are a transfer from Rhode Island, a 280 lb guard, and a rotation featuring two extremely raw RGs, one of whom is a converted DL.
It's the least talented unit I've ever seen at UGA, at any position. Recruiting rankings be damned.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 7:55 am to GurleyGirl
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tall receivers.
We have some pretty tall receivers, too.
Wims--6'4"
Stanley--6'2"
Simmons--6'0
Ridley--6'2"
Towns--6'3"
And this doesn't even take into account our big TE's.
I would be willing to bet that as a unit, ours was rated higher, too. Our problem is we are not getting the ball to them. I am not blaming the coaches. All I am saying is all of you who are trying to sell the line that the cupboard is bare, and all we need is taller receivers are wrong. We have talent to play with MOST teams in the SEC.
No, not Alabama. Not LSU. Not Tennessee. Not Ole Miss. We are depth deprived.
But let's not act as if we don't have talent and can't hang with Vanderbilt, Nicholls, South Carolina or Missouri. Shoot, we have the talent to beat, or at least play Florida, Auburn and yes, even Kentucky! (Who, by the way, beat Vanderbilt)
I don't think you are trying to pin anything on the previous coaching staff. It doesn't seem to be your style, and I have been VERY impressed with your football knowledge. but to say we don't have talent is way off base. Quit looking at what other posters are saying and do some research.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:02 am to Crowknowsbest
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Our best starter is a guard being forced to play RT who, btw, got benched at one point last year.
He's not being forced....our coaches put him there. If he can't play OT then they should play him at his best position. What is better to have a very good OG or to have a struggling OT?
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Rounding out the unit are a transfer from Rhode Island,
Not sure what difference it makes where he came from. he is projected as a NFL OL. There are a LOT of very good players in the NFL that played at small colleges.
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a 280 lb guard,
I have to admit, I didn't realize that Wynn only weighed 280. No doubt that is a problem.
Again. I am not arguing that we are where we need to be. I am arguing that "the cupboard" is NOT empty. I am arguing that we have more talent than vandy, SC, Nicholls and Missouri....a LOT more talent.
Again.....nobody is arguing we are where we need to be.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:05 am to DawgsLife
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What is better to have a very good OG or to have a struggling OT?
That depends on the alternative at RT.
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Not sure what difference it makes where he came from. he is projected as a NFL OL.
LOL at that concept.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:09 am to DawgsLife
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Still think Arkansas has more talent in the trenches?
Yes, they are bigger and play better. Dude, I'm not going to take the time to verify your data but no one in their right mind thinks we have a talented OL compared to the better teams in the SEC and yes, lack of depth is huge in any game against a tough defense. Now I'm sure you would argue the coaching is the difference but I'm not buying it and I don't think most objective fans are either.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:23 am to GurleyGirl
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Dude, I'm not going to take the time to verify your data but no one in their right mind thinks we have a talented OL compared to the better teams in the SEC
Nobody said we did. I never made that claim. I am simply refuting the claim that we have NO talent. I'm not the one saying "the cupboard is bare".
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Now I'm sure you would argue the coaching is the difference but I'm not buying it and I don't think most objective fans are either.
No, I wouldn't. I would say: In the past we beat Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Nicholls with a lack of depth because we had a seasoned coaching staff. We don't have that now, so depth is an issue.
Once Kirby Smart gets experience, we will beat those teams with the depth level we have....but we will need depth to beat Tennessee, Florida, Alabama and LSU.
I KNOW we don't have the talent or the depth of Alabama or LSU and some others.
But we certainly DO have the talent and depth of Vanderbilt, Kentucky and yes...even Arkansas.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:29 am to Crowknowsbest
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That depends on the alternative at RT.
Not really. if our current best OG playing OT isn't getting the job done, then move to his best position. The alternative can't be any worse, right?
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LOL at that concept.
Obviously nobody knows for sure. But we have seen at LEAST one scouting service that project him there. Does he get beat from time to time? yes. But so does Cam Robinson. (No, I'm not comparing Catalina to Robinson. I'm not that bad off, yet!
) I've always respected your opinion. But, again....you seem to be misunderstanding the point I am making. I will take the blame for that.
I am saying that we have the over all talent AND the depth to beat Vanderbilt, Nicholls, Missouri and South Carolina badly. I am not arguing that we should have beaten Ole Miss or Tennessee or Alabama or Florida.....I am not saying we should be contending for the SEC or even the East. I am saying we certainly SHOULD have third in the East locked up, and we don't.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:34 am to DawgsLife
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The alternative can't be any worse, right?
It definitely can get worse.
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Obviously nobody knows for sure. But we have seen at LEAST one scouting service that project him there.
He doesn't gets "beat" that often actually. It's that he can't move anyone off the ball.
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I am saying that we have the over all talent AND the depth to beat Vanderbilt, Nicholls, Missouri and South Carolina badly.
Not on the OL, we don't. We were outmanned up front on Saturday, as crazy as that sounds. Our OL was also no match for Missouri and struggled with Nicholls physically.
Seriously, watch Kublanow closely. He lives 3 yards deep in our own backfield.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:36 am to DawgsLife
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Not really. if our current best OG playing OT isn't getting the job done, then move to his best position. The alternative can't be any worse, right?
Seriously? Who are you going to put out there and think they'll do a better job?
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:47 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Seriously? Who are you going to put out there and think they'll do a better job?
It's a pick your poison situation. Is it better to have a very strong middle of the Ol and weak outside, or have a weak OL all the way through? We keep trying to run the ball up the middle, so....
ETA
I also understand to have a successful passing game you have to have good tackles. Like I said...pick your poison.
This post was edited on 10/17/16 at 8:55 am
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:51 am to Crowknowsbest
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Seriously, watch Kublanow closely. He lives 3 yards deep in our own backfield.
I'll try. When I got out of football (it took several years) I quit picking things apart from a technical standpoint and concentrated on enjoying the games. It's miserable to see WRs that can't block, OL missing block and using poor technique....and no matter how hard I try not to, I can't help but see my pet peeve...these players trying to make highlight reel hits on ball carries and not wrapping up their tackles.
I'll TRY to watch Kublanow, but I also don't want to quit enjoying the games by getting aggravated!
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:29 am to DawgsLife
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I am simply refuting the claim that we have NO talent. I'm not the one saying "the cupboard is bare".
And I'm not saying that either. I am saying that we lack talent and depth on the OL; that is not the same thing as saying "we have NO talent." I would also add that recruiting rankings do not necessarily translate into a corresponding level of play on the field due to attrition and players simply not panning out for various reasons. But for whatever reasons, our OL is definitely not at the same level as the better teams in the SEC.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:36 pm to GurleyGirl
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And I'm not saying that either.
All over the board that is the trending narrative, though. I mean, you can say we are thin at OL, but that doesn't explain Vanderbilt, Missouri, SC, or Nicholls. Those are the games people are criticizing Smart about and all we get back is we have talent issues. We have a LOT more talent than what our performance is showing. And, by the way, I have seen several posters describe it as Richt left "the cupboard bare". It's the most ridiculous thing I have seen on this board lately....well...that and "our staff is a disgrace".
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I would also add that recruiting rankings do not necessarily translate into a corresponding level of play on the field due to attrition and players simply not panning out for various reasons.
Seems to work out pretty good for Alabama, and I would be willing to bet they have more people leaving than we do. Add to that Ohio State, LSU, and yes...even Ole Miss. Recruiting is a pretty accurate barometer of a programs health.
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But for whatever reasons, our OL is definitely not at the same level as the better teams in the SEC.
And nobody is complaining about how we have performed against the better teams in the SEC. It is about Vanderbilt. South Carolina. Missouri. Nicholls.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:40 pm to olddawg26
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:41 pm to DawgsLife
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And nobody is complaining about how we have performed against the better teams in the SEC. It is about Vanderbilt. South Carolina. Missouri. Nicholls.
South Carolina is a little different. That was more of a case of a freshman QB having a bad game. If Eason plays decent that game isn't close.
Vanderbilt, Missouri, and Nicholls legitimately whipped Georgia's OL physically. I'll chalk up Nicholls to a lack of desire, but Vanderbilt and Missouri actually just had better players in their front 7 than we have on the OL.
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