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re: Hines Ward is serious about coaching here.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 5:42 pm to Barstools
Posted on 6/10/16 at 5:42 pm to Barstools
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Sometimes I don't understand how any of the people that post here graduated from UGA. The critical thinking skills displayed are atrocious.
Classic. Make a shitty argument and then criticize other people's critical thinking skills. No one has said he will be a bad coach, however, to assume that because he was a good player that he will be a good coach is an illogical conclusion. There are far too many examples where that has not been the case. Thus most people's commentary that he should consider a support role first. If he excels there then move him up as options are available.
All of this is not to mention that Coley is effing killing it on the recruiting trail right now. Only time will tell how he is at developing that talent at this point.
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 6:22 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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bad arse commentating skill
I get the vibe that Hines's broadcasting career isn't going that well.
He got on with NBC, but the only time you ever see him is for all of 30 seconds in a useless filler segment with Bob Costas before every SNF game. A filler segment which is probably there to try to help get new guys feet wet until he's comfortable in front of the camera. And then they move you up to bigger things. But, HInes has never moved up.
Anyway, just noticing reality here in front of my face. Not trying to dog him out.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 6:28 pm to fibonaccisquared
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There are far too many examples where that has not been the case.
I would bet this list is quite short.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 6:46 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I liken this to the Gruden to UT stuff.
I understand your point about broadcasting vs doing something else. Each person has to make choices about their lives. Gruden probably could parley his way to a sizable raise and some ownership position if he decided to get beck into the pro game. But he rebuffs offers every year, so he appears to be quite content. Good for him.
But Gruden doesn't have anything to do with Hines desires for his life.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 7:39 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Agree with this
Not so sure there's really enough data to back that up one way or another.There are plenty examples of medicore
players that were medicore to bad coaches as well and the pool of great players is far smaller than the pool of average players,especially those that try their hand at coaching.
Spurrier,Ditka,Pat Dye,Jimmy Johnson and even Bear Bryant were all very good to great players in college.Many modern day players that do go into the NFL simply have too many options open to them other than coaching and others like Tracy Rocker get a later start in the game if they do decide to go into coaching.
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Classic. Make a shitty argument and then criticize other people's critical thinking skills. No one has said he will be a bad coach, however, to assume that because he was a good player that he will be a good coach is an illogical conclusion.
Agree with this
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There are far too many examples where that has not been the case.
Not so sure there's really enough data to back that up one way or another.There are plenty examples of medicore
players that were medicore to bad coaches as well and the pool of great players is far smaller than the pool of average players,especially those that try their hand at coaching.
Spurrier,Ditka,Pat Dye,Jimmy Johnson and even Bear Bryant were all very good to great players in college.Many modern day players that do go into the NFL simply have too many options open to them other than coaching and others like Tracy Rocker get a later start in the game if they do decide to go into coaching.
This post was edited on 6/10/16 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:10 am to djsdawg
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I would bet this list is quite short.
Note that I did not explicitly state football players turned coaches - as I'd agree that's a smaller sample size. I was referring to sports in general. Gretzky and Jordan are great examples outside of FB. We've already been down this road the first time this discussion came up. Ultimately, it's a mixed bag. Being good at something does *not* mean that you're good at explaining how to do that same thing. The best players often struggle with this, because a good bit of their talent is natural.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:33 am to WG_Dawg
For me or you.... Yeah. I don't give a shite if Ward ever coaches for UGA or anywhere but the guy could easily step in and be a good WR coach at any college in America as long as he is an effective teacher and communicator.
He knows every damn drill that a WR coach needs to know and then some. He played the position at the highest level and was an elite pro in every regard. He doesn't need to prove leadership skills to anyone as he has been a team leader at every level he has played. Can he communicate and teach what he knows? That is all that matters with a guy like him. If not, none of the other stuff matters. If so, he can step in and coach that position at any college in the nation without prior coaching experience. Hell, he was a coach on the field for years.
You really make it sound a lot more difficult than it is. Hell, I have friends that have coached in the SEC straight from HS. Steve Pardue left Lagrange to be Joker Phillips RB coach just because he and Joker are best friends. No prior experience as a support guy at any SEC school.
He knows every damn drill that a WR coach needs to know and then some. He played the position at the highest level and was an elite pro in every regard. He doesn't need to prove leadership skills to anyone as he has been a team leader at every level he has played. Can he communicate and teach what he knows? That is all that matters with a guy like him. If not, none of the other stuff matters. If so, he can step in and coach that position at any college in the nation without prior coaching experience. Hell, he was a coach on the field for years.
You really make it sound a lot more difficult than it is. Hell, I have friends that have coached in the SEC straight from HS. Steve Pardue left Lagrange to be Joker Phillips RB coach just because he and Joker are best friends. No prior experience as a support guy at any SEC school.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:54 am to Dick Leverage
But...but... It's basically rocket surgery to coach WR. So hard that a future Hall of Famer cannot do it without years of experience!!!
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:21 am to Barstools
Him taking a support role isn't about learning drills. It's about demonstrating a willingness to grind.
Being a position coach means working 15-20 hrs a day and being on the road away from family for weeks at a time. He would need to show that he's really willing to do that.
Being a position coach means working 15-20 hrs a day and being on the road away from family for weeks at a time. He would need to show that he's really willing to do that.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:52 am to fibonaccisquared
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was referring to sports in general. Gretzky and Jordan are great examples outside of FB.
What those 2 failed position coaches?
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:58 am to fibonaccisquared
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. I was referring to sports in general. Gretzky and Jordan are great examples outside of FB
I suppose and you can throw Ted Williams in there as well BUT once again a very small sample size and depends on circumstances.Bill Russell,Yogi Berra,Lenny Wilkens and to a lesser extent Joe Torre all won championships and all were HOF and/or MVP players.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 10:11 am
Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:05 am to fibonaccisquared
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Ultimately, it's a mixed bag. Being good at something does *not* mean that you're good at explaining how to do that same thing.
Agree but I think Hines ward would be a good wr coach. He has the intangibles that make a good coach, but to get a job at Uga, he is gonna have to prove himself somehow.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:47 pm to djsdawg
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Agree but I think Hines ward would be a good wr coach. He has the intangibles that make a good coach, but to get a job at Uga, he is gonna have to prove himself somehow.
Which is what most of us have been saying all along. I'm not saying he WILL fail by any means. Simply that we shouldn't just jump to give him some position coach role before he shows that he's got what it takes to do all the other things. By that point, we should also have a pretty good idea as to where his coaching ability would be as well, probably by using him at satellite campus for example.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:56 pm to WG_Dawg
A well-spoken player who dominated the game professionally and is now breaking down the game for NBC viewers. The guy understands the game and isn't an idiot. He had a reputation as an intelligent player, relying on guile as much as athleticism. You don't he's "coached" younger receivers throughout his career? C'mon...coaching isn't rocket science. Juggle personalities, understand the game, and manage expectations.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:00 am to mmmmmbeeer
We watched his Celebrity Wife Swap last night, from 2015. First off, his wife is a stone cold fox. Next, I had no idea how much of a neat freak he is. His 12k Sq ft house in Sandy Springs is kept up by the two of them. They don't have a maid. He personally does the windows and such himself. (To the point that he can't go to bed at night until the clean dishes are taken OUT of the dishwasher and put back up in the cabinets).
I have to believe that that level of attention to detail/perfection would translate into a demanding coach who wouldn't settle for less than the best out of the kids.
I have to believe that that level of attention to detail/perfection would translate into a demanding coach who wouldn't settle for less than the best out of the kids.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 3:18 pm to VoxDawg
That show made me think he is bored as heck without football.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:27 pm to djsdawg
Hines looking like a natural coach at the Buford camp. Step 1.
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