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Fields will Redshirt (Official Prediction)

Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:47 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:47 pm
NCAA did not pass the rule change that would allow a player a couple games while maintaining a redshirt.

That means Fields will not play this year, he will be redshirted. Pending a catastrophe to Fromm.


Discuss.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46487 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:49 pm to
Given that Stetson Bennett would become Fromm's immediate backup, there is no way Fields redshirts.

Plus you get Fields for 3 years maximum. Better install some packages for him the first 2 years and use him as the full time starter in year 3 after Fromm goes pro early.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:10 pm to
Saban never puts all his eggs in the same basket. Kirby won't make that mistake either. If Fields is at least the second best QB, he will get enough plays to give the team needed QB experience for backup.

Fields isn't the last talented QB who wants to be a Dawg. They are going to keep committing to UGA.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 9:14 pm
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:21 pm to
Glad you made it official. Now, hopefully Kirby will.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

Plus you get Fields for 3 years maximum. 


There is no guarantee he even starts in those 3 years. Do you really think he enters the draft having not started a game with at least one more year of eligibility?

Fromm doesn't seem like the type of QB that goes pro early. He is AM11 with a weaker arm.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 9:26 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63989 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:41 pm to
It’s not just Stetson Bennett, there is also Sam Vaughn.

If Fromm comes out of a game because his shoe comes off, they aren’t going to burn JF’s redshirt.

Pending catastrophe, as I said in op, we won’t see JF.

Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63989 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:41 pm to
I have to agree with barstools here.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:45 pm to
He will play.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46487 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:48 pm to
Fields and Fromm will be in Athens 3 years each barring injury.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:49 pm to
quote:

That means Fields will not play this year, he will be redshirted. Pending a catastrophe to Fromm.

Agree to disagree.

Redshirts are for OL/DL and players that are blocked on the depth chart.

What is the point of redshirting a kid who won't be here 5 years?
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9419 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:00 pm to
quote:

Fields and Fromm will be in Athens 3 years each barring injury.


Even if we say that's true, just for argument's sake, he will still be behind Fromm next year.

Now let's say, Fields red shirts and stays only 3 years. Still behind Fromm next year, but with two unused years of eligibility he wouldn't be using whether he red shirts or not.

Now let's say he redshirts next year but stays all 5 years. He is STILL behind Fromm next year. But he now has 2 years of eligibility remaining to start.

Red shirting him in no way hurts us. He's backing up Fromm next year in every scenario. Unless he beats out Fromm which makes this whole exercise moot.

There is absolutely no reason to play JF1 just for the sake of playing him.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 10:15 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:13 pm to
quote:

There is absolutely no reason to play JF11 just for the sake of playing him.


Tua.

Game reps during the season. If Fromm gets hurt, then you aren't throwing a cold QB out there.

The NCG was 3 months ago. Have we already forgotten why we need our backups game ready at a moment's notice?
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9419 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:21 pm to
So really what you are saying is you want JF11 to suck so JF1 can start? Tua didn't come into the game because Hurts was injured. He came into the game because we were dominating them and Saban was desperate to try anything. If Saban truly thought Tua was the better QB and gave them a better chance to win, he would have started him in the NCG.

You just WANT JF1 to be the next Cam/Deshaun. You don't actually care if he plays.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 10:26 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63989 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:29 pm to
I have to agree with Barstools again.

Except that Tua had already got some garbage time in the season, so the redshirt was already burned.


So in the context of this discussion, my agreement with Barstools is not a deal that makes sense in my portfolio.

And so for that reason, I'm out.


This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 10:31 pm
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:32 pm to
Fromm's arm is equal to or better than Murray's. Fromm can fling it and is more accurate to boot. Hell, Fromm's arm is slightly less powerful than Easons but far more accurate. I have seen fromm throw a ball 60+ on a pretty flat trajectory.

Y'all are judging Murray as an upperclassman to Fromm as a Freshman. Fromm is light years ahead of Murray at this point in his playing career.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9419 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:39 pm to
That's even more evidence that Saban lucked out. Tua had already played some mop up duty in the season and Saban saw it and thought "nope, Hurts gives me the best chance of winning." So much so, that, before the biggest game of the year, Saban still picked Hurts to give him the best chance to win.

Tua didn't come in and play the way he did because he had a few mop up snaps against Samford or Fresno State. He played that way because he is a special talent and he out performed even what Saban thought was possible.

That's what everyone wants JF1 to be. And I guarantee that 7 PAs against Austin Peay isn't going to define JF1s career.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 10:41 pm
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9419 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:42 pm to
I was just talking measurables. Height, weight, speed and arm strength he is very AM11 (I know he is slightly bigger but similar). Which is not your prototypical pro QB. Not to say he won't be, just that him going pro in 3 years is very unlikely.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 10:56 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:42 pm to
quote:

So really what you are saying is you want JF11 to suck so JF1 can start?


No. I never said that. Why would you even presume that?

quote:

If Saban truly thought Tua was the better QB and gave them a better chance to win, he would have started him in the NCG.


Saban played Tua all year to prepare him for a situation where he may be needed.
There was a situation where he was needed in the 2nd half of the championship game.

It has nothing to do with Fromm being the starter. It has everything to do with getting the 2nd stringer out on the field and ready so that he can be a weapon (not a liability) if we need him in a big game.

You are thinking too much. If Fields is the 2nd best, then get him ready to play now. You can redshirt him the 2nd year if you are so desperate for the class separation. That way, Fields already is prepped. He already has game film to focus his reps on improvement. And he can still go a season on standby if needed.

With scholarship limits, having a bunch of 5th year players is counterproductive to signing great recruiting classes. If the red shirt isnt necessary, I pwrsonally wouldn't use it.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

Fromm's arm is equal to or better than Murray's.

Disagree. Maybe fromm holds back a bunch. But he rarely unloads on his throws. Murray used zip more often. If fromm is stronger, then he doesn't flash it except on the deep ball.

quote:

Hell, Fromm's arm is slightly less powerful than Easons but far more accurate.


Accuracy is his strength. It is a very catchable ball, too. Like I said, he isn't humming these things into the receivers.

quote:

Fromm is light years ahead of Murray at this point in his playing career.


I agree. I'm struggling to remember a QB better in the red zone and on 3rd downs for the Dawgs. Maybe Staffords end of his 3rd year? Maybe Green? Fromm is a weapon because of his efficiency in key moments.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:39 pm to
You play kids like that to keep them from transferring. Redshirt would be best for the program and probably him, but he will play and play early.
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