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Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:31 am
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22848 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:31 am
Put this on main board but wanted to ask y'all too


This system is better than the BCS but broken still. 4 teams in only when there are 5 power conferences decided by a committee of people going off of nothing but vague phrases about what matters. That's what we have. Anyone disagree with me and tell me this is a good system? I propose 2 solutions

1. Stay at 4 but use computer and human rankings together to pick the top 4 even if all 4 are in the sun belt

2. 8 team 5 conference champs get it, 3 at larges with one gaurenteed to G5 team that finishes highest. 1st week is played at higher seeds field, then it becomes neutrals like now. I prefer this because I want to see the G5 at least have a chance I mean let's see what UCF can do? No more than 8 ever though. If you are arguing if you're the 8 or 9 seed you don't deserve a spot.

If you disagree and like this system feel free to say so and why, also which of my solutions you prefer or add your own. I also acknowledge that last night was essentially the 1st rd in my scenario just with no group of 5 team.

Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14213 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:33 am to
Too hung over to even think about this.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60046 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:36 am to
Expanding beyond the current format negates the value of the regular season matchups and more importantly, invalidates the conference championship games. We've seen how very different rematches can go, and it sucks when it doesn't go your way.

That said, there have only been 7 regular season rematches in 25 years of SECCG. To expand to 5+3 will make that sort of thing likely the norm, not the exception. You'll be rewarding not winning your division/Conference.
Posted by HTDawg
Member since Sep 2016
6683 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:39 am to
What does it matter if they're going to put Bama in every year regardless of whether they deserve it? Bama doesn't deserve squat.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22848 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:08 am to
No you are setting concrete rules. You are literally promising a reward for winning a conference which I your last sentence you said it doesn't do. I want it set in stone. Idc what they are but I want everyteam to know if you do this you are in. So make winning your conference an auto invite. That only validates the game so I can't even see how you think it invalidates. The group of 5 almost every year has a team that's somewhere from pretty good-great rarely and I want them in. The other two at larges decided by best computer model. It sets concrete rules so everyone knows what they have to do to win it all like every other sport, it allows the G5 a chance, and solves having the 2 teams from one conference with the last 2 at larges. All P5 is represented. I honestly can't see an argument I buy against this.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 9:15 am
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22848 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:12 am to
I guess this year really comes down to what's more important to you. Bama only having one loss but it being the only good top 15 team they played. Or Ohio State who got blown out twice by an (25ish? Unranked?) Iowa and a playoff team, but beat an unbeaten Wisconsin to win their conference. I think Alabama deserves it but I'd rather have to play Ohio State if it comes down to it so give me them
Posted by smokehouse_83
New Mexico
Member since Jun 2013
1401 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:15 am to
I think it needs to be 6 teams. All power 5 champs and a floater.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22848 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:19 am to
If the floater is the highest ranked G5 team I would buy it. We are basically the equivocal of separate but equal with them. They need to be removed from the P5 or have the chance to win the same trophy
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25622 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:32 am to
Scenario 1 was the BCS model. A computer formula using human polls. Once people learn the computer metrics, the human polls get pushed and pulled to dictate a narrative.

The current system can work with transparency. 1000 threads on the main board and no one is listing a team's full resume'. List the 5 best wins, and with other things remaining equal (number of losses), it should be obvious who gets in.
Posted by RussIX
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2014
144 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:21 am to
Know that has been discussed ad nauseum by the talking heads, but it really comes down to whether you want to be more likely to crown the most deserving team or the best team. I think the current system does a pretty good job of balancing both but probably skews towards “best team” (See Ohio State getting in last year)

A larger playoff helps you be more confident that the most deserving team is crowned. A team that repeatedly beats others in a single elimination format is by definition “deserving”. And matching up only conference champs makes the conference championship games into a de facto first round of the playoff. But is “most deserving” really what we want?

For example, Alabama is the best team right now, and would be favored over anyone (maybe pickem with Clemson). Losing to auburn didn’t change this. Not making the sec championship didnt chance this. The current system acknowledges this and gives them a good shot of getting in. They’d probably be a lock if FSU wasn’t a horrible disappointment.

The current system could have acknowledged that UGA was among the best in 2012 and many other years and given us a shot despite not winning SEC. I like the weighting and flexibility of putting in “best” teams that may not be as deserving.

Separate argument on how you define “deserving” anyway. You could argue Alabama is deserving due to all the effort and results they get from recruiting.

Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22848 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:10 am to
Yeah but they're going to put Ohio State in and not Alabama just watch.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13165 posts
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:10 am to
quote:

I think it needs to be 6 teams. All power 5 champs and a floater.


This seems a reasonable compromise and probably doable in terms of the number of additional games that would need to be played. You could give the top 2 teams a by and that would greatly simplify the playoffs.
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