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re: Chubb’s worst games tend to come when he isn’t used much

Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:11 am to
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:11 am to
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I agree. He gets better and wears down the defense. It's a win/win


No... It's not. If Chubb isn't keeping us on pace to stay ahead of the chains, then guess what, we go run run pass out just like everyone bitched about in the first 2 game threads and most of last season. If Chubb is consistently getting 4-5+ yards on first or second down, sure... but the reality is that simply hasn't been the case. Look past the raw numbers.

On the surface, Chubb averaged 4.8 ypc to Michel's 5.6 ypc (throw out Swift who only carried twice in that game). Pretty close and one might argue that Chubb's tendency to wear out defenses would have meant that he would have ended up with more ypc with more yards... except let's dig deeper.

Michel's longest carry of the night was 17 yards. Not a homerun, but pretty solid. That means taking away his longest carry of the night he ran 12 other times for 56 yards, or 4.6ypc.

Chubb's longest carry of the night though was 30 yards (it was also his first fwiw). Great boost, but for consistency and sustaining drives, that leaves him with 12 additional carries for 33 yards... or 2.75 ypc. That puts us regularly in 3rd and 5ish rather than 3rd and 2ish when averaged out.

Look... I love Chubb. He's inarguably one of my favorite players for the dawgs ever. Damn near cried when I saw him go down in that UT game. Want nothing more than for him to have a long and successful career. But until we figure out our blocking scheme or a way to consistently get him the ball without initial contact occurring in the backfield, he's shown to be a less efficient running back for us with the offensive scheme that we seem to have to run with a freshman QB.

Perhaps that changes... we're operating on really small sample sizes against one "good" team, a lower tier FBS team (albeit a threat still), and an FCS team that was seriously overmatched. We're hitting the meat of the schedule now, so hopefully Chubb does Chubb things, we give him the ball ~40% of the time that we run it, ~30% to Michel, and then divy up the other roughly 30% to Swift/Herrien/Holyfield. If we can ride those horses to an East championship and/or more, awesome. But I would imagine it's going to mean significantly fewer 1 to negative yard rushes against solid competition for Chubb to see that balance shift. (For reference, 8 of Chubb's 13 rushes against ND went for 1 yard or worse.)
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:12 am to
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Go to cfbstats.com and you will find it. Select Georgia, Select Rushing, Situational stats.
Then select Passing, Situational stats.


Nice. Had not seen that breakdown. Pretty much exactly what I expected but good to confirm.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:43 am to
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But I would imagine it's going to mean significantly fewer 1 to negative yard rushes against solid competition for Chubb to see that balance shift. (For reference, 8 of Chubb's 13 rushes against ND went for 1 yard or worse.)

It felt like that. But I hadn't seen the statline. That is not on Chubb. It is on the defense looking to control the line of scrimmage (one of Grantham's strengths) and on the offensive line's vulnerabilities up the middle.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:58 am to
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It felt like that. But I hadn't seen the statline. That is not on Chubb. It is on the defense looking to control the line of scrimmage (one of Grantham's strengths) and on the offensive line's vulnerabilities up the middle.


Don't get me wrong. If you look at my earlier comments, I think almost entirely that blame lies on play calling/formation and interior offensive line play. Hopefully we see more plays designed to get Chubb outside to prevent interior collapses from getting him contacted so far behind the LOS (I dunno where the damn outside pitch/toss play has been, but I miss it), but until we see that happen, it seems that Sony finds ways to negate those deficiencies better thus far... some may be due to play design, but partly I think he's just quicker to cut up field if there's a small crease... Chubb is intentionally patient which can lead to big runs when it works out but unfortunately we don't have a line that he can often afford to do that behind just yet. It's improving... they're not getting their shite just pushed in like we saw much of last season, but it's still a work in progress.
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:16 am to
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Burn him out? He has 10 games left in college and has missed almost a full season with injuries over the last 4 years.

Ride him as far as possible imo.


So you gonna ignore his knee injury? But seriously no need to ride him out with all our talent we have. Sony deserves 15 touches himself at least. But the guy had a point that we should use the backs in such a way to have them relatively fresh in the 4th quarter. Imagine Chubb being somewhat fresh in the 4th to really punish the DEF. Especially if we have a true freshman start for us this season, we should rely on the running game. But no need to give Chubb 30 carries.
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:19 am to
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He is a top 5 back in college football. He should get at least 20 touches a game. Michel and Swift are good, but arent anywhere near Chubb's level.
Come'on meow, Sony is on Chubb's level. Sony is vastly underrated by some on here with comments just like this. In fact, Sony is the more complete back. We are lucky to have both of them, and the gap between the two of them isn't as large as you seem to think.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:47 am to
I understand complaining about formations against ND. We were almost exclusively in the shotgun and pistol except for goaline and 3rd and short.

I honestly thinj that was more an indicator that the offense as a whole was not ready for a true freshman under center. A leaky interior is asking for turnovers on playaction pass plays. But we had to pass to create defensive discipline and avoid defenders crashing in on the snap.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 10:48 am
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 11:14 am to
Sure. But that's essentially the sample size we can use for saying we played against a remotely decent defense. App State is good not great and Samford is an FCS school. I liked what I saw in that game, but tough to say it's meaningful given the level of competition (whole other point).

Until we see Chubb do Chubb things against a legit defense, the reality is that Michel has been more efficient with doing the things that this offense *needs* to do in order to stay ahead of the chains. Relying on your tFr QB to win games with his arm or make long 3rd down conversions regularly is a bad strategy. To that end, Chaney actually deserves some credit. Not loads of it, but some.

My comments were strictly to counteract the "Chubb is on another level from Michel" comments here. It's factually inaccurate. At present, he's about on the same level if not slightly worse *for our current offensive condition* than Michel. I'm hoping it's simply due to small sample size and that the interior OL play as well as our quickly ramping QB improves... if so it should open up some more opportunities for Chubb... but that's still a future state situation.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 11:18 am to
Also, I think we are all a bit apt to give Chubb a complete pass on some things. His initial burst is still not quite the same. Go back and watch some of his old tape. Initial acceleration not quite the same still but better than 2016. Also, he's not making guys miss 1 on 1 like he used to as well. Again, better than the 2016 Chubb, but not 2014/early 15 Chubb YET.
Posted by deeprig9
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 11:25 am to
We need Chubb on the field for alot or all pass plays. Blocking or receiving.


So far, the read is 'if chubb on the field, he running the ball'


It will either result in a banner day for fromm bc defense keys on Chubb, or Chubb has banner day bc defense stays honest.

Id be happy for either result.

Gotta have Chubb on the field for pass plays.

Posted by DawgHolliday
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 11:25 am to
I agree fib...I was encouraged to see Chubb make a couple of straight up nasty cuts in traffic on his TD runs the other night...playing against air, those cuts are better than what he had previously shown post injury. Maybe it's the mental level of trust in the knee to make those cuts he has to get back...and maybe it will be back by the end of the season. I certainly hope so.
Posted by Cobb Dawg
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 11:42 pm to
We don't have the kind of o-line that allows us to line up and knock an oppenent off the ball. We also have a QB who was playing in HS last season. We have to scheme.

We've not gotten our TE's open for some reason. And our QB has yet to keep on a read option, for obvious reasons.

I think Chaney has to open up the playbook and keep Moo St. on their heels tomorrow. Chocolate and vanilla won't work. We're going to have to be successful down the field and on intermediate routes, maybe screens and TE's, in order to open up a running game. If not it could be a short night.

I think tomorrow is Chaney's to win or lose.
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