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re: Braves trade Kimbrel
Posted on 4/6/15 at 11:57 am to gatorhata9
Posted on 4/6/15 at 11:57 am to gatorhata9
Yea, Gattis is a really solid DH or a defensive liability. Watching him play OF this year would have been brutal.
I really think that as soon as fans take emotion out of the mix and really think about it they'll understand that not only was this move prudent but it was actually damn good.
I am getting kind of irked at fans who are giving up on the team, mad because "they're idiots in the front office" and etc. What we had wasn't working nor was it sustainable. They are paying for what Wren and his scouting staff did. This is the only way to fix the team by the time they move to Sun Trust.
I really think that as soon as fans take emotion out of the mix and really think about it they'll understand that not only was this move prudent but it was actually damn good.
I am getting kind of irked at fans who are giving up on the team, mad because "they're idiots in the front office" and etc. What we had wasn't working nor was it sustainable. They are paying for what Wren and his scouting staff did. This is the only way to fix the team by the time they move to Sun Trust.
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 12:08 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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but it was actually damn good.
We don't know that.It depends on what we do with the draft pick we are recieving and the future money we save on the deal (although it's not quite as much as people believe...especially if we honor the contact obligations to Quentin and Maybin through 2016)
Look,I get the reason for trading Kimbrel but lets not act like this was some stroke of genius by John Hart...it wasn't and our immediate return isn't anything to brag about.
We'll just have to hope he makes the right moves with free agency and draft picks down the road.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 12:10 pm to WhopperDawg
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If they are rebuilding then rebuild, trade Freeman, Simmons and the new catcher and throw in our no 1 starter. Do that, and really rebuild.
This makes 0 sense. You have to rebuild around something, and that doesn't include a closer.
Freeman, Simmons, and our pitching is the core we will build around over the next few years and now have the money to acquire talent. Next years FA list is pretty impressive
Posted on 4/6/15 at 12:15 pm to WhopperDawg
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If they are rebuilding then rebuild, trade Freeman, Simmons and the new catcher and throw in our no 1 starter. Do that, and really rebuild.
Why would you trade the pieces you want to rebuild around? 2/3 have really good contracts for the next few years.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:41 pm to gatorhata9
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Why would you trade the pieces you want to rebuild around? 2/3 have really good contracts for the next few years.
By the time they rebuild this puppy, they will be long in tooth. Trade 'em now at their peak and get the most for them.
As the esteemed Branch Rickey (look him up) said, "I'd rather trade a player one year early, then one year too late".
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:12 pm to WhopperDawg
Long in the tooth?
By 2017 (the year the Braves are targeting) Freeman and Simmons will be 27. Teheran and Bethancourt will be 25.
By 2017 (the year the Braves are targeting) Freeman and Simmons will be 27. Teheran and Bethancourt will be 25.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:33 pm to gatorhata9
Sounds like their prime is you ask me 
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:01 am to gatorhata9
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By 2017
You realize that target date is driven exclusively by the new stadium, yes?
It has nothing to do with the state of the franchise.
If you were piling this much money into a new stadium with increased tickets price, (the new classification of premium off the charts with multi-year commitments required), and wanting to generate overall city interest, what the hell would you say?
It may be 2019, 2010 before this franchise contends. That is my point. Look at the team, not the stadium. In some circles, the Bravos are considered in the bottom 5 of the league. That is not a quick trip to the top.
Could be wrong. I have been before, just ask my ex.
Good first game.
Against the Marlins, but hell, I'll take it.
Go Bravos.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:57 am to WhopperDawg
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You realize that target date is driven exclusively by the new stadium, yes?
Obviously. And multiple writers and analysts have projected 2017 as that date as well based on who we have and what we plan on bringing in.
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Look at the team, not the stadium. In some circles, the Bravos are considered in the bottom 5 of the league. That is not a quick trip to the top.
I am. We have a solid nucleus, very good young pitching, and a lot more cash (even more when Uggla comes off the books after this season). We're going to make some deals and be active in free agency to bring in some position players to compliment our great young pitching.
And if what you're saying plays out and it's 2020 before we're able to contend, freeman and simba will be 30. Beth and Teheran will be 28. While not spring chickens, they'll still be in their prime.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:35 am to gatorhata9
You have high hopes for a franchise that has not won a playoff series since 2001. And you be banking on a 2 year turn around? Good for you, but the odds are long.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:55 pm to WhopperDawg
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If they are rebuilding then rebuild, trade Freeman, Simmons and the new catcher and throw in our no 1 starter. Do that, and really rebuild.
Again - why in the world would you do this? All of the guys mentioned are young, on relatively friendly contracts, and still have their best years ahead of them.
The only reason to trade them is if you were getting even younger guys with even higher upside on even friendlier contracts. I'm not telling you you're wrong (you are...but that's not the point), but the chances of trading them and coming out ahead in that trade is basically impossible.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:17 pm to ATLdawg25
They are at their peak value right now so you get more in return. Hey, we are beating the Marlins but as mentioned in another post above, this franchise hasn't won a playoff series since 2001. Counting this year that is 15 years. A complete restock is necessary. The pipe dream of 2017 a scant 2 years hence is just that. Unless Hart is a magician and you can argue he was at Cleveland but not with Texas.
The reality is that you can't make those moves as the public will lose all interest, but that is probably what should be done. This fanfare about 2017 is driven exclusively by the new stadium and has nothing to do with the franchise and roster ability.
Do Freddie a favor. Please. Put him on the Cardinals.
The reality is that you can't make those moves as the public will lose all interest, but that is probably what should be done. This fanfare about 2017 is driven exclusively by the new stadium and has nothing to do with the franchise and roster ability.
Do Freddie a favor. Please. Put him on the Cardinals.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:53 pm to WhopperDawg
Lol, ok. Let's just agree to disagree.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:01 am to WhopperDawg
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They are at their peak value right now so you get more in return.
They aren't at their peak value. You're talking about guys 22-25 years old, and a rebuilding plan that is aimed at 2017-2018.
If you ran the Braves, your move would be getting rid of every single valuable asset you have - regardless of age, upside, contract situation, etc? And you would do that in hopes of getting back prospects that would be better than the players you traded away?
I think you're just trolling. Monteg's voice-to-text machine would be able to structure a rebuilding plan better than that.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:15 pm to ATLdawg25
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I think you're just trolling
I've already made my points. To say it succinctly so you will understand,to half way rebuild is to half way get there.
As noted above, that is where we have been since 2001. That is 15 years. I think you want to stay there.
Not pleasant, not fun, but needs to be done, just like the Kimbrell trade. No one liked losing that guy.
Your 2017 timeline is ticking.
We'll see you then. Don't forget.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:50 am to WhopperDawg
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I've already made my points. To say it succinctly so you will understand,to half way rebuild is to half way get there.
I appreciate the condescension, but this disagreement isn't about me not understanding you. I understand what you're saying - I'm saying it doesn't logically follow that to build a winning team, you need to get rid of every single player who has value on the trade market.
I think the Braves will come out of the Kimbrel trade as clear winners, maybe as soon as this season.
In any case, we can at least agree that what the Braves are doing is better than dying slowly and painfully like the Phillies, and agree to disagree on the rest
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