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Posted on 1/24/14 at 1:40 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Agree with earlier poster, once these players reach free agency Braves will no longer pay for them. Combine that with a poor farm system, and you're looking at a very bad run coming up. A return to the late 80's Braves where this is one good player to cheer for on the team, and that's about the only reason to even watch them.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 2:03 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Seriously, we should crucify the idiot who negotiated that tv deal
Time Warner is solely responsible for the shite TV deal because it was their plan to unload the Braves all along.
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“The deal was done simultaneously [when the team was being sold to Liberty]. It was to Turner’s advantage, obviously, to do it that way. They were parting with the team and they were able to structure a long-term relationship with Fox.
From last January
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Liberty negotiated an asset swap with News Corp. and Time Warner that would give it control of DirecTV and the Atlanta Braves baseball team. On February 12, 2007, the deal was completed with Time Warner wherein Liberty would receive the Atlanta Braves, a group of craft magazines and $1 billion in cash in exchange for 60 million shares of Time Warner stock. The deal was approved by Major League Baseball and then completed on May 16, 2007
Yup that's right our beloved team was just an asset that was to be swapped for stock so Time Warner could regain more shares of their company. To Liberty Media we are nothing but a $ number that affects their bottom-line
And because frick Liberty Media
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The company agreed in March 2013 to pay $2.62 billion for 27.3% of Charter Communications
Smoke em if ya got em
Posted on 1/24/14 at 2:14 pm to Cherokee Chinstrap
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our TV deal and disinterested owners have put us behind the 8-ball. I'm actually kind of worried about the Braves' future. Our farm system blows right now, and if we lose freeman, Heyward, etc in the next couple of years we might be looking at some Astro-like seasons.
Unforunately, this^. I've been dreading this for a few years now. They don't have the money to compete with the bids from the teams that are signing these huge tv deals. Enjoy next year and 2015, because a bad run of baseball is just around the corner.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 2:27 pm to Cherokee Chinstrap
Our only hope is someone who truly loves Atlanta and the Braves and is rich beyond all belief to come in and buy them. Because yea, we are merely an asset. And for a ball club this popular that is disgusting.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:38 pm to Cherokee Chinstrap
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I do not expect us to keep Kimbrel past next season. It really sucks,
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Liberty Media
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:04 pm to DOKA
Heyward is worth every dime. His defense combined with a solid OBP is easily worth 5.5. He is also still young and came on strong before his injury last year.
I love Kimbrel but for 9mil he can kick rocks.
We have a guy in the farm system with really good stuff.
Heyward/Freeman are must haves to remain competitive. Liberty Media sucks :(
I love Kimbrel but for 9mil he can kick rocks.
We have a guy in the farm system with really good stuff.
Heyward/Freeman are must haves to remain competitive. Liberty Media sucks :(
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:13 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Our only hope is someone who truly loves Atlanta and the Braves and is rich beyond all belief to come in and buy them. Because yea, we are merely an asset. And for a ball club this popular that is disgusting.
It makes me sick to my stomach, honestly. If there's one team I want to win a championship (almost) as much as the Dawgs, it's the braves. I would probably cry if we won the World Series. There are others that are just as and more passionate than me. Yet this team is merely a dollar figure to some assholes who couldn't tell you what base to run to first. frick them.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:42 pm to gatorhata9
Good lord guys you're acting like the Braves are in completely hopeless situation.We've had the best record over the last 4 years in the NL and we're gonna have one of the youngest lineups in MLB...the reason the minor system isn't what it used to be is because we've pretty much moved all our top prospects up the last 3 years and they've been HIGHLY productive...just can't see us losing Freeman or Heyward especially when moving into the newer facilty that will bring in a much needed revenue boost. Kimbrel is another story...just not a good track record with hard throwing closers staying healthy past age 30.
Our 5 year prognosis looks pretty damn good especially with the new stadium move...long term,not so much but
I know they recently upgraded their TV contract to broadcast 45 games on another regional network...wasn't a huge deal but was worth a few more million per season.
Yea,I realize what's happening with huge TV deals all over MLB but you never can tell what or who will step forward and put some type of offer on the table for the Braves and their new facility somewhere down the road.
My biggest concern for the Braves (short term) are the shite deals we have to live with on the current roster (BJ & Uggla)
Our 5 year prognosis looks pretty damn good especially with the new stadium move...long term,not so much but
I know they recently upgraded their TV contract to broadcast 45 games on another regional network...wasn't a huge deal but was worth a few more million per season.
Yea,I realize what's happening with huge TV deals all over MLB but you never can tell what or who will step forward and put some type of offer on the table for the Braves and their new facility somewhere down the road.
My biggest concern for the Braves (short term) are the shite deals we have to live with on the current roster (BJ & Uggla)
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:47 pm to RD Dawg
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ur 5 year prognosis looks pretty damn good especially with the new stadium move...long term,not so much but
With Washington outspending us in rapid fashion it's going to be hard to outpace them. We still have some solid prospects but we are no longer the same type of team that could spend with the big teams. We have a good team no doubt about it but we have to nail it on drafting and hit on the occasional market player in order to fully compete. Getting the Upton's last year shows that we aren't going to give up but I think your right about us not being completely doomed.
The TV deal for the Braves is bad.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:48 pm to RD Dawg
Venters is a possible closer. If push comes to shove, we gotta let him (Kimbrel) go. Guys who can get 3 outs shouldn't be too hard to find.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:53 pm to dhuck20
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Venters is a possible closer. If push comes to shove, we gotta let him (Kimbrel) go. Guys who can get 3 outs shouldn't be too hard to find.
We have a guy in the minors with a fastball that they say is everybit as good as Kimbrell but needs to work on adding another good offering. He is looking like a big time closer prospect going forward. Has a better fastball than our first rounder Jason Hursh according to baseball America.
Shows the best fastball on the farm
Shae Simmons
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:25 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
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we are no longer the same type of team that can spend with the big teams
Well, we haven't been able to spend with the big boys for about the last 10 years but we've been able to compete because of the success of our farm system...but with these new mega TV deals that are being signed by Philly,LA,Houston etc we're going to be put in huge disadvantage as far as revenue...lets hope the new facilty
will make up for some the revenue lost by our shitty TV deal...hell, the ASTROS are going to have about 6 times the annual TV revenue of the Braves with their TV deal...completely sucks.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:31 pm to gatorhata9
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It makes me sick to my stomach, honestly. If there's one team I want to win a championship (almost) as much as the Dawgs, it's the braves. I would probably cry if we won the World Series. There are others that are just as and more passionate than me. Yet this team is merely a dollar figure to some assholes who couldn't tell you what base to run to first. frick them.
Agree with all of that. The jags and falcons could both go 0-16 if it meant the braves could win a WS and they are just so damn held back it friggin hurts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:42 pm to DOKA
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I like Simmons as well. Walden and venters could possibly hold down the position
Very true. Walden has nasty stuff when he is on.
They are projecting after Simmons jumped to AA this year that he could see the bullpen as early as this year. His stuff is apparently pretty filthy but has the same issue Kimbrel had coming up with control.
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My question is kimbrels value?
More than the Braves can afford for a closer. I'm thinking 2 teams in play (Dodgers or Yankees) and the sleeper would be Texas.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:14 am to Damn Good Dawg
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they are just so damn held back it friggin hurts
Huh?WTF are you being so dramatic about?And how were the Braves "held back" this off season?
Did you want them to re-sign McCann?Hudson?Mortgage
the farm for Price?
Braves led MLB in ERA last year with the best bullpen and will get Beachy and Venters back.I also expect Tehran and Minor to only get better.
Offensively, they'll hopefully get a healthy Heyward and Freeman for the whole year along with getting a full season from Johnson and Gattis and I cannot imagine BJ having a worse year than last.If not,Jordan Schafer is more than capable taking his place.I also expect a solid year from J Upton. Simmons will do nothing but improve at the plate as well.
Bottom line is that I fully expect the Braves the challenge/win the NL East and beyond.
Yea,I know all about the TV contract and ownership but lets not act like we're the Astros or the Marlins AND we'll hopefully have a pretty good boost in revenue when we move into the new digs...no doubt it's extremely important that we make little if any mistakes drafting or signing any future players...
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:19 am to RD Dawg
The braves need to take some lessons from tampa bay in how to handle pending free agents. They netted will myers last year for james shields. I can't even imagine what they'll get for price.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:55 am to DOKA
I understand the point completly and I'm well aware of TB's model for doing things...we're not quite in the same boat payroll wise or prospect wise...the Braves simply can't justify a fire sale mentality (even if it does make good economic sense down the road BUT you sure as hell better land top,can't miss prospects) the Braves are way too dependent on gate reciepts for their revenue....they can't or won't justify revenue loss for a bad to mediocre gate for even 1 year...even if it means positive results 2 and 3 years later. No doubt, they're are on very thin ice 5+ years down the road with this philosphy...
Wouldn't be so sure about that.I think the Dodgers and Angels will still burn through $$ with the TV funds available to them and look out for the Nats and Phillies
Both on the verge of signing huge TV deals...gonna be a whole different world in the next few years...
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The angels ain't picking up the tab anymore ninjas
Wouldn't be so sure about that.I think the Dodgers and Angels will still burn through $$ with the TV funds available to them and look out for the Nats and Phillies
Both on the verge of signing huge TV deals...gonna be a whole different world in the next few years...
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:51 pm to tylerdurden24
I'm with you on J Hey
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