re: Are we really underachieving vs. the rest of the SEC?

bottom line is yall are trying to use fan logic to understand 18 year olds who want to make football a career...

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There is a reason Bama gets the pick of the litter and the rest of us get what they graciously allow us to have.

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Don't know if you recall but we flipped two of their commits this year.

In recruiting, it's not JUST about championships. Championships are great for recruiting, yea. The biggest sell to recruits is getting to the league. Bama wins AND gets people to the league. That's why they've had the number 1 class for 43 straight years.

The losses are minuscule compared to how well a team/coach can prepare a recruit for the NFL. Championships are just gravy that put teams over the top.

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Yea, so clearly 3 NC's are not a factor in their ongoing recruiting dominance since then.


Given that he dominated before he won it, it appears my proof source is stronger than yours...

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I hope you actually don't believe that and I doubt that you do. And please note I have stated repeatedly that winning NC's is just one factor in a recruits decision making process while you seem to contend that it's not a factor at all. You site ONE instance where a team, Alabama, has had a top recruiting class having not one a NC and think you have established a winning correlation. You have not. You should also consider that Saban had previously won a NC at LSU which was likely was a factor in him attracting top recruits to Alabama prior to winning his first NC at Alabama.

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Saban had a top recruiting class at BAMA without ever winning one at BAMA and coming off an 8-4 season losing to UGA and a year removed from a failed NFL career...

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And Neil Armstrong crashed the LLTV shortly before landing on the Moon.

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I hope you actually don't believe that and I doubt that you do. And please note I have stated repeatedly that winning NC's is just one factor in a recruits decision making process while you seem to contend that it's not a factor at all. You site ONE instance where a team, Alabama, has had a top recruiting class having not one a NC and think you have established a winning correlation. You have not. You should also consider that Saban had previously won a NC at LSU which was likely was a factor in him attracting top recruits to Alabama prior to winning his first NC at Alabama.

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Sure, it is a part... It is not in the top 3 for most elite recruits. Early playing time, path to NFL, relationship with coach recruiting them, and randomn intangibles would be ahead of recent past MNCs.
Back when I was being recruited all of these along with playing on TV were weighted ahead of the team recently winning championships. 3 of the schools I was being recruited by had won MMCs in the recent past ... I just don't recall anyone in my recruiting class saying that they are going to UGA because it gives them the best chance to win a MNC. They go there with the intent on winning one, but not because it puts them in the best spot to.... I recall my OVs to LSU and UNC... Neither had won a MNC in the recent past during my recruiting era, but the shrines and films of teams past made you feel like they were in the hunt every year. Also, 18 year old just don't have the sense of history we do...especially about UGA... Other teams can say what they want, but when a kid visits theBM and sees all that history, thier frame of refrence sees it as a part of the now. Especially with the top ten finsihes and big games.
To give you some morre personal anecdotes, I also took one of my OVs to Notre Dame and they had an amazing amount of trophies and history. It certainly was impressive and made you sit there and dream about being a part of it... but they had not won one in a while... seeing all the guys who were in the pros... legends... and TV games was real impressive.

Most 4 and 5 stars are looking for 3 years and NFL. It may not happen, but that is what recruiters sell them. Saban wins because he recruits better than anyone... even when they don't win it all, he still get's the top recruits. FSUs and Ohio State's recruiting both trended up before they won MNCs/NCs...

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Or, if you look at the years all of them have won the MNCs....they were a top 3 recruiting class in the previous few years. We have not had top 3 classes back to back....

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Certainly not saying that recruiting not does play a very big role in the program. It does as we all recognize.

But it all goes back to coaching. Saying the planets will align or the the ball will bounce our way one doesn't feed the bulldawg.

The coach makes the change, makes it happen, witness Saban at Bama and Urban at Fla and now OU.

We have what we have. I have adjusted my expectations to the reality of the situation. I look forward to getting to a Florida bowl next year, but Arizona and Tampa are out of the question.

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Sure, it is a part... It is not in the top 3 for most elite recruits. Early playing time, path to NFL, relationship with coach recruiting them, and randomn intangibles would be ahead of recent past MNCs.

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Don't doubt this statement but let me put it this way: If Georgia had won 3 NC's under Richt like Bama has with Saban at the helm, I am confident that we would be recruiting at a higher level.

And regarding your post about money spent on recruiting by our rivals, no doubt it's a significant factor. It is among those intangibles we have discussed often relative to the unwillingness of our admins to spend money in the football arms race. Thankfully they seem to have read the handwriting on the wall and are starting to spend more on coaches' salaries, assistants, etc. I'm actually pretty optimistic about our football program right now.