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Posted on 2/6/15 at 5:19 pm to dallasga6
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Posted on 2/6/15 at 7:38 pm to AirDawg
I put together a spreadsheet at work today with some recruiting numbers, i had some downtime....
It's not pretty.
I tried to find an angle, one statistical calculation based on objectivity where we could pound our chests over this last class, despite the 247/scout/espn/rivals rankings.
I failed.
I counted just the top 5 guys in each class, and UGA is 4th in the SEC on those "elite" guys.
I counted just the 5-10 rated guys in each class, and again we are 4th in the SEC.
I tried to calculate how well we recruited depth on those guys 15 to 20, those potential diamonds in the rough, and even there we are 4th or 5th (don't have it in front of me) in the SEC.
Any way I sliced it, we are no better than 4th in our own conference.
I used the 247 composite scores for the individual player data.
Auburn and Tenn ahead of us in almost every metric.
Bama of course #1 in everything.
LSU was closest to us in each of the calculations.
As far as I'm concerned, this class was far from a dumpster fire but far from something to be proud of.
By the numb3rs...
It's not pretty.
I tried to find an angle, one statistical calculation based on objectivity where we could pound our chests over this last class, despite the 247/scout/espn/rivals rankings.
I failed.
I counted just the top 5 guys in each class, and UGA is 4th in the SEC on those "elite" guys.
I counted just the 5-10 rated guys in each class, and again we are 4th in the SEC.
I tried to calculate how well we recruited depth on those guys 15 to 20, those potential diamonds in the rough, and even there we are 4th or 5th (don't have it in front of me) in the SEC.
Any way I sliced it, we are no better than 4th in our own conference.
I used the 247 composite scores for the individual player data.
Auburn and Tenn ahead of us in almost every metric.
Bama of course #1 in everything.
LSU was closest to us in each of the calculations.
As far as I'm concerned, this class was far from a dumpster fire but far from something to be proud of.
By the numb3rs...
Posted on 2/6/15 at 7:51 pm to wizatlanta
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LSU, Bama, AU all get the majority of their in state top prospects. Ours go to UCLA, Ohio State, USC, Auburn and FL.
THIS. And if it was just because Atlanta is a transplant city, then Texas and Texas A&M would have a hard time recruiting Houston and Dallas because they're both transplant cities too. Other than the occasional Stafford or Adrian Peterson, those two teams get most of the big time players in Texas.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 8:03 pm to VADawg
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13 of the top 25 in TX didn't sign with UT or AnM.
Just sayin'.
UGA got 8 of georgia's top 25.
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THIS. And if it was just because Atlanta is a transplant city, then Texas and Texas A&M would have a hard time recruiting Houston and Dallas because they're both transplant cities too. Other than the occasional Stafford or Adrian Peterson, those two teams get most of the big time players in Texas.
13 of the top 25 in TX didn't sign with UT or AnM.
Just sayin'.
UGA got 8 of georgia's top 25.
This post was edited on 2/6/15 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 2/6/15 at 8:08 pm to deeprig9
You're entitled to your opinion but I am still proud of this class.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:36 am to deeprig9
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 7:32 am to AirDawg
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Not sure how you did all that but props to you and I can't resist, "that's pretty Deep", but so true. Over the past 30 or so years we have been above average in recruiting but nothing spectacular.
That reason is common sense, Georgia hasn't brought home the Crystal.
Hate to say it but that's pretty much the way I see it. The best players want to win championships. They go where they feel they have the best chance of winning one which is why Alabama has stayed near the top in recruiting since Saban has been there. Florida, Auburn, LSU and even Tennessee can point to BCS Championships and say to recruits: we've been there before and Georgia hasn't had championship in 35 years; they clearly aren't capable. Why would you want to go there?
I honestly believe if we could somehow get over the hump and at least get into the playoffs, it would benefit our program tremendously in recruiting. It would be something to point to showing that we are an up and coming football program instead of our usual 3rd, 4th or 5th best team in the SEC.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 8:30 am
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:13 am to davesdawgs
Not losing to inferior opponents like FL and USCe so we can be legit, dominant contenders for our own conference championship would help.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:27 am to dallasga6
Since recruiting is almost as important as coaching I'd say clearly we're underachieving if we can't recruit well enough to win the SEC or MNC. The state produces about 30+ 4* and 5* players per year. Plus we have a regional and somewhat national draw. Simply no excuse for not having enough good players to win.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:32 am to SquatchDawg
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SquatchDawg
Are we really underachieving vs. the rest of the SEC?
Not losing to inferior opponents like FL and USCe so we can be legit, dominant contenders for our own conference championship would help.
Above Has very little to do with recruiting. It has to do with selling sizzle, playing time early, NFL career, and random intangibles.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:36 am to Peter Buck
Peter Buck, if you don't think winning affects recruiting you've lost your effing mind.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:37 am to SquatchDawg
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Not losing to inferior opponents like FL and USCe so we can be legit, dominant contenders for our own conference championship would help.
Yep, we have always been 1 or 2 inexplicable wins away from a championship level team. We were actually one clutch play away from winning one in 2012 and simply couldn't get it done. It's a shame because that would likely have made a huge difference in our future recruiting.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:40 am to WorkinDawg
I didn't say that...
I will say that playing for a top tier team, early playing time, and an NFL pipeline schtick is significatnly more important to a recruit than playing for a team that won a Championship.
I will say that playing for a top tier team, early playing time, and an NFL pipeline schtick is significatnly more important to a recruit than playing for a team that won a Championship.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:49 am to davesdawgs
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Are we really underachieving vs. the rest of the SEC? quote: Not losing to inferior opponents like FL and USCe so we can be legit, dominant contenders for our own conference championship would help. Yep, we have always been 1 or 2 inexplicable wins away from a championship level team. We were actually one clutch play away from winning one in 2012 and simply couldn't get it done. It's a shame because that would likely have made a huge difference in our future recruiting.
Most kids being recruited either think or are being sold that they will be the team that gets college team X to the championship. Early playing time and NFL placement from a contender is much stronger than playing for the team that won it all last year for most elite recruits...
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:50 am to Peter Buck
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I will say that playing for a top tier team, early playing time, and an NFL pipeline schtick is significatnly more important to a recruit than playing for a team that won a Championship.
There is a reason Bama gets the pick of the litter and the rest of us get what they graciously allow us to have. The type of kids we go after will also have offers from schools that don't get their arse kicked by a 6-5 team who fired their coach. I couldn't disagree with your "those losses hardly matter" statement.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:57 am to Peter Buck
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Most kids being recruited either think or are being sold that they will be the team that gets college team X to the championship. Early playing time and NFL placement from a contender is much stronger than playing for the team that won it all last year for most elite recruits...
There are obviously many varying factors that go into a recruits decision making process but clearly a team like Alabama who has won multiple national championships can point to their championships as a major draw. There's a reason why Bama has been the top team in recruiting since Saban has been there and there's little doubt that their championships are a huge factor.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:58 am to Peter Buck
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Most kids being recruited either think or are being sold that they will be the team that gets college team X to the championship
I'll use your own words to prove my point:
Saban, Meyer, Butch, SOS, Gus, all selling the same things. And all saying that no one gets UGA over the hump and they'll point to CMR's 14 year track record to prove it. By the time the kid and family hear it from the 14th different school/ coach it certainly factors in.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:19 am to WorkinDawg
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I will say that playing for a top tier team, early playing time, and an NFL pipeline schtick is significatnly more important to a recruit than playing for a team that won a Championship.
There is a reason Bama gets the pick of the litter and the rest of us get what they graciously allow us to have. The type of kids we go after will also have offers from schools that don't get their arse kicked by a 6-5 team who fired their coach. I couldn't disagree with your "those losses hardly matter" statement.
Saban got the top recruiting class in the nation the same year he lost to UGA and went like 8-4 and we got the top rated player in the country this year...
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:22 am to davesdawgs
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Most kids being recruited either think or are being sold that they will be the team that gets college team X to the championship. Early playing time and NFL placement from a contender is much stronger than playing for the team that won it all last year for most elite recruits...
There are obviously many varying factors that go into a recruits decision making process but clearly a team like Alabama who has won multiple national championships can point to their championships as a major draw. There's a reason why Bama has been the top team in recruiting since Saban has been there and there's little doubt that their championships are a huge factor.
Saban had a top recruiting class at BAMA without ever winning one at BAMA and coming off an 8-4 season losing to UGA and a year removed from a failed NFL career...
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