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re: All of Fromm's offensive plays
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:51 am to Whiznot
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:51 am to Whiznot
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I suggest that you go back and look at any of Aaron Murray's games for his first two years
Those first 2 years he had average OLs, carlton thomas/richard samuel at RB, and todd grantham leading the defense. He definitely did have an issue with some turnovers early in his career, but anyoen blaming murray for our lack of winning during that time period is a flat out moron.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:59 am to GurleyGirl
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Fromm appears to be a bigger, slightly faster version of Aaron Murray with a quicker release and a stronger throwing arm
There's not much to be gained from debating this point, but Fromm's arm is not as strong as Murray IMO. His release is comparable, but not quicker. Jake's arm is strong enough and that's all that matters. Whether he becomes the complete qb that AM was depends on his work ethic and I'm encouraged by what I've seen so far.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:06 am to GurleyGirl
Whiznot said:
We'll have to disagree. By the time Murray left he was better than both IMO.
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wasn't as good as David Greene or D. J. Shockley.
We'll have to disagree. By the time Murray left he was better than both IMO.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 11:09 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:16 am to meansonny
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Possibly Stafford.
Not even close, now or ever IMO. I hope Eason does well but, freshman stats aside, Stafford was way above Eason. Arm strength is the only comparable skill, and even there Stafford does it with a more compact throwing motion.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 11:22 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:30 am to wdhalgren
Can't speak for Fromm's arm, but Murray had a deceptively strong arm... my hands remember still.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:35 am to wdhalgren
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Not even close, now or ever IMO. I hope Eason does well but, freshman stats aside, Stafford was way above Eason. Arm strength is the only comparable skill, and even there Stafford does it with a more compact throwing motion
People forget a lot about Stafford.
They forget that he got benched his freshman season.
They forget that he lost to 5 consecutive SEC East opponents in his career at UGA.
They forget that he didn't throw for 300 yards in a game until midway through his junior season (Eason did it twice last year).
They forget that Stafford had 1 (maybe 2) good games against good opponents when the running game wasn't clicking on all cylinders. Our rush offense was the highlight of our team during the Stafford years (don't believe me, rewatch the Hawaii game when our offense was at its peak).
I don't mind agreeing to disagree because 98% of above is about Stafford's deficiencies that we forget at UGA. Eason still has to show growth (which is tough on the number of snaps he is given).
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:35 am to wdhalgren
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There's not much to be gained from debating this point, but Fromm's arm is not as strong as Murray IMO.
Hard to gauge without both in some sort of distance throwing contest but Fromm is a bigger man and definitely has bigger, stronger looking arms which isn't necessarily an indicator of passing arm strength but it looks that way to me. Murray did have a quick release so I will concede a draw there. And yea, I am also encouraged by Fromm's apparent preparation for each game and that tackle against the LB who intercepted his pass was impressive; showed me that Fromm is not afraid to tangle.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:58 am to meansonny
I remember all of those things. I've gone back and watched some of Stafford's early games during the offseason to see how he looked compared to Eason. He was more decisive, sometimes to his detriment, but his mind worked faster and I thought he was obviously getting better even when it didn't show on the stat line. It's not easy to compare players on different teams, against different opponents, under different coaches, which is why we have these debates. It's not something that boils down to a list of bullet points and statistics.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:12 pm to wdhalgren
I could be wrong.
But if Stafford was better (i.e. improvement and development), he would have performed better when the offense wasnt carried by the running game.
His best performance without being supplemented by a dominant ground game was his last one against Michigan State in the bowl. By the time the lightbulb turned on, he was off to the NFL. He used us (I'm glad. I enjoyed watching him. But damn... we had some good teams who couldve used a college qb ready to take the team on his shoulders to beat big time opponents in big time football games).
Give Eason 3 years out of HS and see where he is at. I'm not saying that he is a first rounder. I'm saying that he is a viable NFL QB that a team can take a flyer on and develop into something even greater.
But if Stafford was better (i.e. improvement and development), he would have performed better when the offense wasnt carried by the running game.
His best performance without being supplemented by a dominant ground game was his last one against Michigan State in the bowl. By the time the lightbulb turned on, he was off to the NFL. He used us (I'm glad. I enjoyed watching him. But damn... we had some good teams who couldve used a college qb ready to take the team on his shoulders to beat big time opponents in big time football games).
Give Eason 3 years out of HS and see where he is at. I'm not saying that he is a first rounder. I'm saying that he is a viable NFL QB that a team can take a flyer on and develop into something even greater.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:31 pm to meansonny
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His best performance without being supplemented by a dominant ground game was his last one against Michigan State in the bowl. By the time the lightbulb turned on, he was off to the NFL.
Here's the difference in my opinion and yours. I thought Stafford was a great player early on, just needed experience and he got it and turned into a fantastic qb, IMO, while he was at UGA. He didn't have the surrounding cast to dominate the sport of cfb, but he was extremely talented. You say he benefitted from our ground game, I say he created our successful ground game because defenses respected the damage he could do.
I don't like to base my opinion on what some expert says, because experts are often wrong too, but the NFL guys looked at Stafford, and then made him one of the highest paid rookies in the history of professional football. They could've been wrong, but it was a pretty good bet and his contract was probably agreed before the draft even took place, based on what they saw at UGA. And this time, at least, they got it right; Stafford is a franchise qb.
Maybe Eason does the same, but right now he hasn't shown the early signs of that skill set, IMO.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:48 pm to wdhalgren
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while he was at UGA
#7 made plays. Stafford's wins against a bad Bama team, a bad Vandy team, driving the field to kick a game winning field goal against a bad Arizona state team are all great memories.
Not very different from throws by Eason against Missouri and Tennessee.
Stafford had a 55% completion percentage with 10 INTs as a sophomore. That was a talented team who finished #2 in the country. He played with AJ Green, Knowshon Moreno, Thomas Brown, MoMass, Tavarres King, Kris Durham, Fernando velasco, trinton sturdivant, Clint boling, and cord glenn. That team had talent.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 3:05 pm to meansonny
Obviously you think Stafford was a beneficiary of good teams and didn't develop until late in his college career. I disagree and I don't think he played on a talented offense until his final year, but his talent was always there. We could go back and look at our OL, receivers, TE's, RB's and try to compare all of that to what Eason had last year, but in the end I go with my eyes and you go with yours and the stats. Fair enough.
Like I said I hope Eason does well. Unless something changes, his best chance IMO is to find a West Coast team where he'll face less agressive defenses and have more time in the pocket. I don't like what that will do to our depth, but it's possible.
Like I said I hope Eason does well. Unless something changes, his best chance IMO is to find a West Coast team where he'll face less agressive defenses and have more time in the pocket. I don't like what that will do to our depth, but it's possible.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 10/20/17 at 3:02 pm to Whiznot
Okay.
Fromm = Senior Yr Murray
Fromm = Senior Yr Murray
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:54 pm to Dick Leverage
After watching these I think the most underrated part of Fromm's game is the ability to protect the ball when he gets sacked. He's gotten hit hard from the back side multiple times and held on to the ball whereas Eason coughs it up when that happens (not unlike a lot of quarterbacks). Fromm just seems to have a lot of small "it" factors that can help a team win.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:56 am to TearsofKnowshon
Not sure whether to make a new thread or not, this one seems to still be on the rails, so I'll leave this here.
Taken from a SECRant topic. I think it might not include last week's games, but does included all of Fromm's games.
I have not fact checked this*
ETA- This is of 15+ yard passes.
Taken from a SECRant topic. I think it might not include last week's games, but does included all of Fromm's games.
I have not fact checked this*
ETA- This is of 15+ yard passes.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 10:57 am
Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:09 am to deeprig9
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ETA- This is of 15+ yard passes.
That's a pretty important stat. It shows that Fromm is both efficient and accurate on longer passes. 7 TD passes out of 32 attempts is pretty darn impressive.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 12:07 pm to GurleyGirl
I'm not sure it is all the pass plays but I recognize many of the pass plays from the ones Fromm played in High school. This leads me to believe that Chaney is wisely using some of Fromm's High School play book to help him function efficiently. Given the fact they had to throw him into the season earlier than expected and the minimal time Fromm had to learn the Play Book, wouldn't this show Chaney is one cunning and wise MF'r!?
Posted on 10/30/17 at 11:53 pm to AirDawg
Posted on 10/31/17 at 7:29 am to Sandwich
quote:Honestly I think we got lucky. There were some big time 3rd downs late in that game where their qb just missed badly on the throws. They had plays were their guys were open for the first, but the bad throws negated it. I don't remember what the pass rush was on those plays, but I'd like to think that we caused the pressure for him to rush his throws.
Man that ND game...I'm amazed we won that shite. Our offense struggled.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 7:32 am to dawgsjw
They got lucky we missed a fg, had an unforced fumble, and an unforced dropped td.
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