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20/20 hindsight: Should UGA should have hired an OC to be head coach?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:05 pm
I thought I saw a stat indicating that college defensive coordinators promoted to head coaching jobs are much less likely to be successful than offensive coordinators who become HCs. I don't remember how they defined successful but for whatever reason, OCs seemed to be better able to make the jump and succeed.
Guys like Saban or Bob Stoops seem to be more the exception than the rule.
I have no idea why but it seems to me that if you DO hire a defense guy to be your head coach, you better be sure he really IS a guru.
And you better hire a pretty great OC, too.
I hope that those who know their stuff were sure that Kirby is the "real deal."
My lingering concern is that Kirby didn't actually HAVE to be a great coach because he had the luxury of working in a program that managed its roster like an NFL team and he had more talent and depth than just about any other program.
Check back in 3 years for the conclusion...
Guys like Saban or Bob Stoops seem to be more the exception than the rule.
I have no idea why but it seems to me that if you DO hire a defense guy to be your head coach, you better be sure he really IS a guru.
And you better hire a pretty great OC, too.
I hope that those who know their stuff were sure that Kirby is the "real deal."
My lingering concern is that Kirby didn't actually HAVE to be a great coach because he had the luxury of working in a program that managed its roster like an NFL team and he had more talent and depth than just about any other program.
Check back in 3 years for the conclusion...
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:16 pm to Lucius Clay
The SEC at its heart is a defensive conference and I think the style of football that Kirby is supporting is what most UGA fans want. Big tough guys playing hard defense and running the ball. That's who we want to be.
Whether or not he can get us there remains to be seen. But despite the results last week - he's said all the right thing and is promoting the type of football that we all want to see. Pittman is a great coach by all accounts and we'll see about Chaney.
Whether or not he can get us there remains to be seen. But despite the results last week - he's said all the right thing and is promoting the type of football that we all want to see. Pittman is a great coach by all accounts and we'll see about Chaney.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:34 pm to Lucius Clay
Too late now
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:45 pm to Lucius Clay
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:16 pm to Lucius Clay
And the Zen Master said: "We'll see."
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:22 pm to Lucius Clay
Now go get some pussy and quit worrying about things you have no control over.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:39 am to Lucius Clay
First , I think Kirby is the right fit.
I do worry we hired the Offensive staff to fit Jacob Eason, which is not necessarily bad or good. Just wonder if we weren't trying to lock down a pocket passer , would Kirby gone with a young RPO coach. That would have generated some exciting changes in UGA football.
I think KS gets at least 6 years no matter what, if the offense is struggling in 3 years, I believe he'll get a chance to make a change before being shown the door.
I do worry we hired the Offensive staff to fit Jacob Eason, which is not necessarily bad or good. Just wonder if we weren't trying to lock down a pocket passer , would Kirby gone with a young RPO coach. That would have generated some exciting changes in UGA football.
I think KS gets at least 6 years no matter what, if the offense is struggling in 3 years, I believe he'll get a chance to make a change before being shown the door.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:59 am to 3rddownonthe8
I agree. Smart should get a few years to work his plan before being shown the door. Four games into what is expected to be a difficult year and people are melting. Pathetic.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:16 am to Lucius Clay
An offensive coach probably would have done better this year, but Smart wasn't hired to be better this year. Smart was hired to change the way the program operates.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:43 am to Crowknowsbest
Sure but I think il still gonna melt down after game 3 and wish I had my security blanket named Richt or pine for a name I heard on sports center the other night
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:20 am to Lucius Clay
Kirby is just keeping the seat warm for Bobo.
And Bobo will just be keeping the seat warm for Gruden.
And Bobo will just be keeping the seat warm for Gruden.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:49 am to Lucius Clay
So let me get this straight....its been 4 games and you came to the conclusion that Kirby is already a bust and now think we should have hired an Offensive guy?
Let me tell you a few things:
1) Its been 4 games in what most in College Football would call a rebuilding year. See the numerous posts about the attrition and development of the '13 and ;14 recruiting classes. There is a talent deficiency at UGA right now...the only reason it didnt rear its head last year is because of a soft arse schedule. We lost every game against a descent team that we played last year.
2) Kirby worked under Saban for almost 10 years...he knows what type of program UGA needs to become to compete for Championships. It isnt built over night. Recruiting is a HUGE part of this. Lets let him at least bring in a few classes.
3) Had UGA hired an Offensive minded coach...then that leaves us what on defense? In the SEC, imo, a good Defense is the onyl way to win the division. You can have amazing offenses that score butt loads of points, but if you cant stop anyone, you will lose games ....see Ole Miss vs Bama this year...Ole Miss offense is one of the best int he nation probably, but Bama's Defense got it done when it mattered and they won. Defense > Offense
4) If you want to bash Kirby...the only beef I have with him right now is how the team looks uninspired at time on the field. There doesn't appear to be great leadership among the players out their either. I do believe that this is Kirby's fault. He has to d a better job with mental toughness. I will not speak the name of the man, but UGA has been weak in this area for quite some time. Again...culture change...will take time...and honestly will take some guys leaving via NFL or Graduation.
TLDR...chill the frick out, lets give Kirby time. Stop being delusional in thinking he can rebuild this program 4 games into his first season. Thanks
Let me tell you a few things:
1) Its been 4 games in what most in College Football would call a rebuilding year. See the numerous posts about the attrition and development of the '13 and ;14 recruiting classes. There is a talent deficiency at UGA right now...the only reason it didnt rear its head last year is because of a soft arse schedule. We lost every game against a descent team that we played last year.
2) Kirby worked under Saban for almost 10 years...he knows what type of program UGA needs to become to compete for Championships. It isnt built over night. Recruiting is a HUGE part of this. Lets let him at least bring in a few classes.
3) Had UGA hired an Offensive minded coach...then that leaves us what on defense? In the SEC, imo, a good Defense is the onyl way to win the division. You can have amazing offenses that score butt loads of points, but if you cant stop anyone, you will lose games ....see Ole Miss vs Bama this year...Ole Miss offense is one of the best int he nation probably, but Bama's Defense got it done when it mattered and they won. Defense > Offense
4) If you want to bash Kirby...the only beef I have with him right now is how the team looks uninspired at time on the field. There doesn't appear to be great leadership among the players out their either. I do believe that this is Kirby's fault. He has to d a better job with mental toughness. I will not speak the name of the man, but UGA has been weak in this area for quite some time. Again...culture change...will take time...and honestly will take some guys leaving via NFL or Graduation.
TLDR...chill the frick out, lets give Kirby time. Stop being delusional in thinking he can rebuild this program 4 games into his first season. Thanks
Posted on 9/27/16 at 8:02 am to Lucius Clay
I like Kirby.
But I kind of wish Georgia would hire a proven HC for a change. We seem to go for the "Flavor of the week" approach when it comes to HC, though. We've done ok in the past with this approach, and I think we will be ok with Smart. We just might have some growing pains.
But I kind of wish Georgia would hire a proven HC for a change. We seem to go for the "Flavor of the week" approach when it comes to HC, though. We've done ok in the past with this approach, and I think we will be ok with Smart. We just might have some growing pains.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 8:11 am to Lucius Clay
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20/20 hindsight: Should UGA should have hired an OC to be head coach?
there is no hindsight after 4 games.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 8:20 am to Sandwich
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So let me get this straight....its been 4 games and you came to the conclusion that Kirby is already a bust
Four games in and UGA is worse than it was last year in every single phase of the game. Worse. As in we've gone backwards.
Four games in and two of those games are now solidly in the UGA record books for the most uncompetitive, uninspired, impotent play in school history.
Growing pains are one thing, but who would have ever thought that the amiable, emotional, hands-on "players coach" Kirby Smart would have trouble coaching up his players and getting them motivated?
I wouldn't have. But, that's exactly what's happened. Twice already. And I don't understand how people on here don't see how close to catastrophe Kirby Smart really is if these trends continue this season. Can a man that can't get a team motivated to play in their second and fourth game of the season suddenly learn how to do it if things get even worse? What if the stands are half empty for the second half of the Tennessee game if we're down 42-0 and CBS switches to bowling coverage?
This isn't a must-win for Smart. But, his team must show up with effort and inspiration or the shite storm forecast goes to Torcon 6.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 9:39 am to Jefferson Dawg
Honestly could not give a shite. The awful shite stained class of 2013 and 2014 is poisoning UGA and needs to filter out while Kirby brings in his own guys. If the team is still like that then, fire him and move on until you find someone who can get it done.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 10:45 am to Lucius Clay
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My lingering concern is that Kirby didn't actually HAVE to be a great coach because he had the luxury of working in a program that managed its roster like an NFL team and he had more talent and depth than just about any other program.
I like Kirby's approach, but this has been my concern since the day the hire was announced.
ETA: I also think this is why Kirby has been screaming since day one about the lack of depth and high level talent on the roster, he just doesn't know what to do without a roster full of potential first rounders.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 10:48 am
Posted on 9/27/16 at 11:06 am to RedPants
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We seem to go for the "Flavor of the week" approach when it comes to HC
The one HC we hired in the last 15 years set a trend?
Posted on 9/27/16 at 11:31 am to Jefferson Dawg
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Four games in and UGA is worse than it was last year in every single phase of the game. Worse. As in we've gone backwards.
What did you expect? We lost our best players from that average team and have played a tougher schedule. Do the math on that, and these are mostly richts kids rather than his.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:15 pm to RedPants
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I like Kirby's approach, but this has been my concern
My concern since January is Kirby's approach.
He seems to be the most blatant plagiarist copy cat of all the Saban disciples to date. You'd think that there might be at least one or two things he always thought he'd do a little differently when he got the shot to be head man. But, nope.
I get it. All coaches, or anybody who is good at whatever their field is, all "borrow" methods from what those who have had success before them have done. But, you can't copy instincts, or intuition, or wisdom, etc. You have to bring those things to the table yourself.
Maybe this is just a personal pet peeve of mine, but regardless, i think its a risky move for Smart no matter what. If he ends up having success, nobody will care what he copies. But if he continues to just be a Sick Naban replicator bot regurgitating the bama syllabus, and seemingly scratching his head and wondering why the hell it's not magically bringing bama like results, then it could be the rope that hangs him.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 12:16 pm
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