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re: 18% pay cut to work from home?

Posted on 6/11/14 at 9:34 pm to
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 9:34 pm to
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Actually more opportunity to grow.

"Day job" is for a contractor for a Fortune 20 customer. They don't hire people, they buy other companies and then lay off the people they don't need.

Opportunities are teased...

The home job is for a much smaller company. They are blowing up.

Both jobs are healthcare IT stuff.

Did I mention I commute from Athens to ATL everyday?


dude, this is a no brainer

you already know what you need to do

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The real question is what happens when Day Job comes back and offers me a 50% raise to stay.

Well, not really a question. I'd stay.


I wouldn't - I would quit driving 3 or 4 hours a day and focus on increasing my income at the company with better growth and opportunity potential

plus, you may burn that bridge if you go down that road...
Posted by Spunky
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 9:34 pm to
While it may not be in the city limits of Jefferson. You can't forget this peach across 85

Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63958 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 9:38 pm to
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1) Self discipline.


It's micromanaged work, no slacking off. I have already been doing it for a couple of years part time, quit around Feb after giving them an ultimatum of sorts, saying I can't do both jobs, and if I go full time with you I need X, and They called Me last week.






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2) Burgeoning reliance on you because you are home by others in the household. Just because you are there does not mean you can take the kids to the dentist.


Nipping this shite in the bud ex pre facto. Luckily, my wife actually worked for this company before I did. She knows it's actual real work, and not just hanging around the house in underwear watching Judge Judy, like Dallasga06 does, eating Fritos and masturbating.













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3) Out of sight, out of mind. This speaks to company internal culture. "He is working at home, so he isn't working". "Why can't I work at home too? That prick". You aren't there so you lose the company office dynamic. It takes a mature company to successfully pull this off. - This is REAL REAL important. If you do go this route, make damn sure you are in the office frequently. Your boss is also extremely important and how he views working from home.




Most of the employees of this company work from home. It's IT stuff. They PREFER not to have to provide office space for their employees.




Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63958 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 9:42 pm to
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I wouldn't - I would quit driving 3 or 4 hours a day and focus on increasing my income at the company with better growth and opportunity potential

plus, you may burn that bridge if you go down that road...



This is the discussion.


It is highly likely my Day Job will try to make me an offer I can't refuse.

My wife is on your side.... say No, you had your chance, you let me slip away.. I'm not slipping away, I've slipped away...


But me.... all I see are dollar signs.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 9:44 pm to
If you take the money out of it, which job do you like more?
Posted by Spunky
Member since Mar 2013
10020 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 9:47 pm to
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Part time one called me back, said if I went full time they'd give me X. It's 18% paycut (but the benefits are slightly better). 



On a serious note, use that for your benefit. They obviously like and value you as an employee. Tell them the situation you are in and the income difference. I would suggest adding a little more say like 25% vs 18% that is of course if they don't know what you're currently making. If they counter and say. "Would you be willing to stay if we matched your current salary? " you win plus get a 7% raise. If the say " we'll we would really love to have you as an asset to our company but we can't fit the % 25 in our budget this year, if we could do the 18% and have an official review of your work ytd in December and if you exceed expectations then we will make room in the budget next year for the additional 7% to get you to the 25% you're asking for"

Win win brother. Trust me this shite happens all the time. It's all about how good and comfortable you're with negotiations. .

best of luck whatever you choose
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29676 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 9:48 pm to
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My wife is on your side.... say No, you had your chance, you let me slip away.. I'm not slipping away, I've slipped away...

But me.... all I see are dollar signs.


listen to your wife

sounds like you are doing OK either way

get out of the fricking car

it is 180 minutes a day without traffic

if the new company is really blowing up like you say, it will wind up being the better move long term

listen to your wife, think about it:

a) she is probably right

b) it gives you capital for AT LEAST 2 years worth of arguments

you already know what you should do, quit thinking about it and asking random strangers online

Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63958 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 9:53 pm to
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If you take the money out of it, which job do you like more?



I hate them both equally.
Posted by AmericusDawg
Member since Oct 2012
8577 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63958 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:03 pm to
Spunk, we did that discussion in feb.

They came back this week with my bottom line from feb.


Now if current employer raises the stakes, i will turn that back around.

Its all a little stressful but its a good problem to have. Alot of people struggle to find work, and i have two employers about to go thunderdome over me.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25594 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:07 pm to
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I hate them both equally.


That's why they call it work you pansy

I typically am of the mindset to take the job that pays better even if it costs me some quality of life (like I said... it's called work for a reason).

However, I also believe in jumping on a career opportunity. I've turned down jobs with $10k per month guaranty (I'm in sales) because I know that they were crap companies and I'd be pissing off clients. I took a job with a $4k guaranty because I knew that I'd be worth more in a career at the better company.
Posted by Spunky
Member since Mar 2013
10020 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:08 pm to
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Its all a little stressful but its a good problem to have. Alot of people struggle to find work, and i have two employers about to go thunderdome over me.



I went through the exact same thing about two months ago. It ended very nicely
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63958 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:10 pm to
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That's why they call it work you pansy

I typically am of the mindset to take the job that pays better even if it costs me some quality of life (like I said... it's called work for a reason).

However, I also believe in jumping on a career opportunity. I've turned down jobs with $10k per month guaranty (I'm in sales) because I know that they were crap companies and I'd be pissing off clients. I took a job with a $4k guaranty because I knew that I'd be worth more in a career at the better company.



I think we are the same age. I remember you saying you entered UGA in 96.



I am a shitty salesman. I project my intelligence onto my customer. I did great with intelligent customers. Too bad most people are fricking idiots.

I quit sales around 2006.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:23 pm to
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25594 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:34 pm to
The good thing about sales is that your income is limitless. A 4k/month guaranty and a 10k/month guaranty means absolutely nothing at the right company.

The bad thing about sales is that you are only as good as your product, your service, your solutions, AND your customers.

Shitty customers make for shitty sales. I understand what you mean.
Posted by TripleBrass
Member since Sep 2012
746 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 12:04 am to
You would have to pay me a crap ton of $ to want to commute Athens --> ATL every day. Jesus christ.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:32 am to
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You would have to pay me a crap ton of $ to want to commute Athens --> ATL every day.

I did the math on this once for deeprig.....

People making this commute five days a week spend a little over 1 month PER YEAR sitting in their cars.

That's 24 hours a day straight..... for a month....... out of EVERY YEAR...... sitting in thier cars,............as life passes them by.


Posted by Kneehigh
Low Country
Member since Nov 2012
13232 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:05 am to
No. I have a company vehicle. Gas is not an issue. I can't stand being in one area for a long period of time. I have to be able to get out and visit other areas throughout the week or I would lose my mind.
Posted by cribbsjy
Member since Jul 2013
251 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:49 am to
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Quite possibly. The 18% is probably a wash. You save on gas and eating out, but your power consumption will increase. Depends on what you are doing if distractions would be an issue or not.



You have to factor in the tax break you get when working from home.

* You said the position is IT, so you will be using your home computer for work (or better yet, buy a dedicated 'work computer' to use only for work). Every tax season, you claim depreciation on the computer.
* Whatever room you designate as your "home office" could be claimed in your taxes.
* Assuming you use Internet for said job, you can write-off a % of your Internet/Cable bills. This also goes for your phone bills.
* Any time you eat lunch, it is a business expense that can be written off. Hell, any time you use ANYTHING for work, it is a business expense.

You will want to keep all bills, receipts, paperwork to show you paid for all of this stuff while "on the clock."

Full disclosure: I am not a tax lawyer, accountant, etc., so please research all I have stated before claiming everything lol.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14179 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:00 am to
You can write off the home expenses for your room...but then you also pay capital gains on that same room if you sell the house. Depreciation cuts both ways....

On the expenses, if your company already reimburses you those can't be claimed twice. Of whats left over, there is some minimum amount that you need to claim that is a pretty large amount. Also, home offices are audited ALOT.

Also...you can't write off every lunch any more than you could if you worked in an office.

Its not worth it unless you run your own business out of your house....so don't factor any tax advantage into the equation.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 8:09 am
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