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re: With Dodds retiring...
Posted on 10/2/13 at 11:23 pm to finestfirst79
Posted on 10/2/13 at 11:23 pm to finestfirst79
Meh I really don't care the one thing I do miss is giving all the fair weather fans I know in Austin a ration of shite when we win
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Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:00 am to finestfirst79
I would like to see us keep playing, pretty shortsighted of Dodds to end the series. Things have swung around for the moment and UT needs this game more than we do now. We don't need it anymore.
If SEC goes to 9 conference games it probably can't happen anyway.
If SEC goes to 9 conference games it probably can't happen anyway.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:08 am to tmc94
I would be VERY uncomfortable playing them on Rivalry weekend. That would cause us to have to give up LSU for that weekend (which would cause other problems) but also then it puts us at the mercy of Texas. If they play us for a few years and cancel then where are we? LSU will have moved on.
The ideal schedule is Texas early, the SEC slate in the middle, and LSU on Rivalry weekend. Best schedule in the country. The early Texas game will likely be a Gameday site often. It will almost always be a big game because it will be early enough in the season both teams should be undefeated. Also, if we lose it doesn't hurt us nearly as much as if we play them late. Doesn't affect us for the SEC Title at all and by the end of the season a win/loss in that game isn't as consequential as if it is at the end.
Here are the conditions I would want:
Home and home series (preferably starting with at least a 10 year contract)
Game played in first 4 weeks of the season
No game EVER on LHN
Officials from a neutral conference (probably dreaming here)
Resumption of the rivalry in all sports (this benefits us both and would allow us to sell the rivalry as a Showdown like before, only this time for a LOT more money)
The rivalry really isn't even about Texas for us. They can't really hurt us anymore unless we let them. It's about getting a better schedule and more high profile games to have an edge over our SEC competition. An A&M/Texas game along with an SEC schedule would be awfully attractive to any recruit in this region and at worst you have another big game to invite recruits to attend.
This also would be the final dagger in any of the Big 12 schools competing with us in recruiting. They aren't much of a threat now but this destroys them. It also applies the same dagger to Arky and it really hurts LSU in terms of recruiting Texas. It would be a statement that we are first and foremost a Texas team and it would also elevate us above the rest of the Big 12 teams because we would not likely play them while we play Texas.
Then you have all the fun/economic impact/good for the State arguments.
The schedule issues are just fodder. Mountains will move if the decision is made to move forward on this game.
In truth we don't NEED the game. Texas probably NEEDS it more than we do but we would benefit from it equally if not moreso. We don't need to schedule it at any cost, we just need a smart and fair deal.
The ideal schedule is Texas early, the SEC slate in the middle, and LSU on Rivalry weekend. Best schedule in the country. The early Texas game will likely be a Gameday site often. It will almost always be a big game because it will be early enough in the season both teams should be undefeated. Also, if we lose it doesn't hurt us nearly as much as if we play them late. Doesn't affect us for the SEC Title at all and by the end of the season a win/loss in that game isn't as consequential as if it is at the end.
Here are the conditions I would want:
Home and home series (preferably starting with at least a 10 year contract)
Game played in first 4 weeks of the season
No game EVER on LHN
Officials from a neutral conference (probably dreaming here)
Resumption of the rivalry in all sports (this benefits us both and would allow us to sell the rivalry as a Showdown like before, only this time for a LOT more money)
The rivalry really isn't even about Texas for us. They can't really hurt us anymore unless we let them. It's about getting a better schedule and more high profile games to have an edge over our SEC competition. An A&M/Texas game along with an SEC schedule would be awfully attractive to any recruit in this region and at worst you have another big game to invite recruits to attend.
This also would be the final dagger in any of the Big 12 schools competing with us in recruiting. They aren't much of a threat now but this destroys them. It also applies the same dagger to Arky and it really hurts LSU in terms of recruiting Texas. It would be a statement that we are first and foremost a Texas team and it would also elevate us above the rest of the Big 12 teams because we would not likely play them while we play Texas.
Then you have all the fun/economic impact/good for the State arguments.
The schedule issues are just fodder. Mountains will move if the decision is made to move forward on this game.
In truth we don't NEED the game. Texas probably NEEDS it more than we do but we would benefit from it equally if not moreso. We don't need to schedule it at any cost, we just need a smart and fair deal.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:04 am to aggressor
aggressor knocks it out of the park, as per par 
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:09 am to aggressor
Agree on all points
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:15 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Yeah I agree with aggressor as usual he presents a well thought out post
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 10:16 am
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:24 am to aggressor
I agree with everything aggressor says but why do you think it would be the final dagger in recruiting for the other teams? Also, wouldn't you think it would help Texas in recruiting especially when they win the annual game as they were able to state they can beat a quality SEC team and then schools like OU - if they beat Texas that year - can use it to jump start their recruiting efforts in the state?
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:39 am to aggressor
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also then it puts us at the mercy of Texas.
think you need to relax. They aren't some arch-villain. If we reschedule then it means we've rebuilt the relationship
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It will almost always be a big game because it will be early enough in the season both teams should be undefeated.
hmmm....name a big annual game that is played in September. Was UF-Miami big this year? If you care, it got a 3.1 rating on ESPN. It had no real competition as Cin-Ill (ESPN2) and OSU-UTSA (FS1) were the only other two games on. The A&M-Rice game got a 2.7 for pretty similar reasons (no comp)
UF-FSU (ABC) got a 5.1 last year and it was played at the same time as Alabama-Auburn (CBS), OU-OSU (ESPN), Wisc-PSU (ESPN2), and Grambling-Southern (NBC). The end of year audience just dwarfs the early season. When it resumes, the tv execs will push this to late season as each week's audience is progressively bigger
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Here are the conditions I would want:
Those are just normal contract details, none of which is anything special. I wouldn't walk in with "conditions."
The resumption across sports is a no-brainer btw. Football is one thing but the other sports are killing both schools because it's hard to find local games that are competitive and it's hard to get fans to a lot of those games. Even if we don't resume football, there is almost no doubt one of the first things their next AD does is resume other sports.
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This also would be the final dagger in any of the Big 12 schools competing with us in recruiting.
I don't think this is true at all. In fact I think it is good for the Big 12. From a recruiting standpoint, tu and OU are the only ones that matter and this includes one of those two. The Big 12 needs to start playing big rivalry games outside of conference because they have so few in conference. One of their biggest problems atm is that they have all of 1 annual game anyone nationally cares about. I'm still shocked that OU-UNL hasn't resumed. It's a no-brainer for them too imo.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 3:25 pm to finestfirst79
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...what are your thoughts on renewing the t.u. rivalry?
No just no but hell no.
RC doesn't want it, and he coached that game more than any person alive.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 3:30 pm to tmc94
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In fact I think it is good for the Big 12. From a recruiting standpoint, tu and OU are the only ones that matter and this includes one of those two. The Big 12 needs to start playing big rivalry games outside of conference because they have so few in conference. One of their biggest problems atm is that they have all of 1 annual game anyone nationally cares about.
Exactly why I am in the hell no club.
AFTER the Big 12 rots, OU is a modern day Minnesota, Texas is in the PAC, we have multiple national titles and we are considered THE premier brand in Texas, THEN play for fun sometime in September.
Until we get to that point, they have more to gain than we do (RC told me that) so frick em.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 5:36 pm to tmc94
Do I think Texas would screw us? Probably not, but I don't see any reason to give them the opportunity to. When we played LSU in the 80's and '90s no one expected them to suddenly end the series until they did. If we beat Texas 5 or 6 times in a row who knows what they might do. The only thing stopping them would be political pressure but I don't want to rely on that.
I agree if we played Texas at the end of the year it makes it a bigger game but that benefits them more than us. We have LSU at the end of the year already (and it is a conf game which is MUCH harder to change). This is the bigger point though.
With the game early, then we have Texas at the beginning, the SEC sched in the middle including Bama and at least a couple of notable games, and ending with LSU. Texas will have us early, OU in the middle and then..... crap. We win. More than that though it is about staying ahead of LSU/Bama/UF who all have better schedules than we do. LSU/UF play each other every year which is far more interesting than our game with USC. UF also gets FSU. Bama has storied rivalry games with UT and Auburn. They may be down right no but to people in the SEC those will always be big games with a lot of pageantry. We have Bama and LSU and .... Right now that's awesome because the SEC is new but in 5 years? Meh.
National ratings also aren't really the concern (though I think it would do better than UF/Miami). The key is the impact in Texas and our recruiting area which would be huge.
Agree none of my "conditions" are unusual, just smart business. Don't anticipate issues with them but you can't go to Texas with a blank slate. They may not be an "arch villain" but I don't trust them, at all. Like any contract we need to protect ourselves and look out for our interests.
I think we have already pretty much killed the schools not named Texas in recruiting here but this game would make it even more pronounced. It is a statement that we will play Texas but we don't GAF about Baylor, TCU, or Tech. It also hurts OU and Arkansas to a lesser extent. Honestly I think it will be a bigger game than the RRR most years.
The game would be unique. No other major rivalry games occur early in the season on a regular basis unless you are talking about UK/Louisville or other games no one really cares about. UF/Miami had some of that appeal but it just isn't what it was. It was still a very big game in Florida though.
I agree if we played Texas at the end of the year it makes it a bigger game but that benefits them more than us. We have LSU at the end of the year already (and it is a conf game which is MUCH harder to change). This is the bigger point though.
With the game early, then we have Texas at the beginning, the SEC sched in the middle including Bama and at least a couple of notable games, and ending with LSU. Texas will have us early, OU in the middle and then..... crap. We win. More than that though it is about staying ahead of LSU/Bama/UF who all have better schedules than we do. LSU/UF play each other every year which is far more interesting than our game with USC. UF also gets FSU. Bama has storied rivalry games with UT and Auburn. They may be down right no but to people in the SEC those will always be big games with a lot of pageantry. We have Bama and LSU and .... Right now that's awesome because the SEC is new but in 5 years? Meh.
National ratings also aren't really the concern (though I think it would do better than UF/Miami). The key is the impact in Texas and our recruiting area which would be huge.
Agree none of my "conditions" are unusual, just smart business. Don't anticipate issues with them but you can't go to Texas with a blank slate. They may not be an "arch villain" but I don't trust them, at all. Like any contract we need to protect ourselves and look out for our interests.
I think we have already pretty much killed the schools not named Texas in recruiting here but this game would make it even more pronounced. It is a statement that we will play Texas but we don't GAF about Baylor, TCU, or Tech. It also hurts OU and Arkansas to a lesser extent. Honestly I think it will be a bigger game than the RRR most years.
The game would be unique. No other major rivalry games occur early in the season on a regular basis unless you are talking about UK/Louisville or other games no one really cares about. UF/Miami had some of that appeal but it just isn't what it was. It was still a very big game in Florida though.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 7:35 pm to tmc94
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hmmm....name a big annual game that is played in September.
Florida/Tennessee is always played in September.
You definitely want the game to take place AFTER the U.S. Open.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 7:35 pm to aggressor
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No other major rivalry games occur early in the season on a regular basis
Florida/Tennessee
Posted on 10/3/13 at 8:43 pm to aggressor
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UF/Miami had some of that appeal but it just isn't what it was. It was still a very big game in Florida though
When FSU-Miami was at its peak (when they were in different conferences) I believe it was pretty early in the year. Just because most other rivalries occur late in the year I don't get why this wouldn't work early in the year. In college football a big game is a big game. There are plenty of crazy, hyped matchups early in the year every year
Posted on 10/3/13 at 8:46 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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You definitely want the game to take place AFTER the U.S. Open.
Who cares? It's tennis
CBS doesn't seem to pick up the non con often. I never remember UF FSU being on CBS, or SC Clamson
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:35 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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CBS doesn't seem to pick up the non con often. I never remember UF FSU being on CBS, or SC Clamson
These two games (as well as UGA-GT) are played the same weekend and are in SEC stadiums the same years. Thus any of them are only available to CBS to select every other year and they are also the same weekend as the Iron Bowl which was selected in 2011. The two previous times CBS had the chance (07 and 09), they selected the UF-FSU game. They will once again have that option this year.
But I think more to your point, CBS will no longer carry the US Open starting next year (ESPN will) so it won't matter.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:19 pm to tmc94
Back to the point of playing it early in the season. I think this could make it unique. Most of the early season "rivalry games" (UK-UL, CSU-Colorado) are just fricking shitty games because they involve mediocre programs. I think it could work early in the season and could even thrive in that regard.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:21 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Back to the point of playing it early in the season. I think this could make it unique. Most of the early season "rivalry games" (UK-UL, CSU-Colorado) are just fricking shitty games because they involve mediocre programs. I think it could work early in the season and could even thrive in that regard.
Agreed.
Seeing the bullshite tonight against iowa state though just reminded me how glad I am not to have to play them right now. You're never just playing t.u. straight up.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:23 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Agreed and that's why I'm fine if some years pass before we play them again. I want it to happen eventually, but I don't think we should be running after them trying to get it done just because they have a new AD. We did our part when we left the conference.
If the new AD is interested I am sure he will contact us and we should by no means turn it down in that case if the terms are fair. We don't need to jump through hoops to get it done though. We don't NEED this game. They really do at this point.
If the new AD is interested I am sure he will contact us and we should by no means turn it down in that case if the terms are fair. We don't need to jump through hoops to get it done though. We don't NEED this game. They really do at this point.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:27 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Agreed and that's why I'm fine if some years pass before we play them again. I want it to happen eventually, but I don't think we should be running after them trying to get it done just because they have a new AD. We did our part when we left the conference.
If the new AD is interested I am sure he will contact us and we should by no means turn it down in that case if the terms are fair. We don't need to jump through hoops to get it done though. We by no means NEED this game. They really do at this point.
Exactly. This is the first time we've been in this position in the history of the rivalry, and we need to leverage it, just like texas has always done in the past. Not out of spite, but because this is a business decision, and needs to be sound for US, forget about them.
Let them grovel back to us when they get rid of their yellow streak. Meanwhile, let's keep widening the gap between our schools on the gridiron.
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