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re: What are your expectations for the program?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:34 pm to Farmer1906
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:34 pm to Farmer1906
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I don't really give a shite if we go 10-2 every year and our 2 losses are at home. They all count the same.
This where I'm at. I want to win them all but it doesn't sting more when we lose at home.
And as far as the Wrecking Crew stuff, I know people won't let it go but it ain't coming back. I wasn't around to see it, but from the highlights it seems like most of what people called the "Wrecking Crew" is now called a 15 yard penalty (PI, Targeting, Low hits on Qbs, Horsecollars, etc.). Doesn't mean you can't play good defense still, but even Alabama and Clemson give up yards against efficient offenses because of the rule changes.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:36 pm to Masterag
Agree to disagree. There just will be years that it doesn't come together. You had 2 years of bad recruiting on the o line via transfers, talent not panning out, and an injury or two. So you've got a young line for one season that wasn't quite ready to go and it costs you a few games for one season.
I don't expect perfection in talent evaluation or development, everybody misses. But I do expect to not have an entire class disappear (sumlin's 2013 class). It's just part of the game. If a new coach starts to use that excuse very other year, yeah then it's just an excuse to try and cover up failing at the job.
I don't expect perfection in talent evaluation or development, everybody misses. But I do expect to not have an entire class disappear (sumlin's 2013 class). It's just part of the game. If a new coach starts to use that excuse very other year, yeah then it's just an excuse to try and cover up failing at the job.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:57 pm to FortWorthAg15
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I want to win them all but it doesn't sting more when we lose at home.
That's because you've never experienced a year or multiple years in which A&M was unbeatable at home.
If you didn't know, there were serious talks about firing R.C. Slocum in 1996 because he lost 3 home games that season, which was UNHEARD OF from 1985 - 1995. Kyle Field had become such a difficult place to win that opponents almost always assumed a loss when they saw "at A&M" on their schedule.
Kyle Field was a place where A&M simply DID NOT LOSE. This also explains Slocum's mediocre to poor record in road, neutral, and bowl games.
One of the main reasons Slocum was fired in 2002 is because he went 3-4 at home.
Losing at home should NEVER be acceptable.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:29 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I just can't subscribe to this premise. I'm going to be way more upset when we lose to Ole Miss on the road than when we lose to Alabama at home this year. And that has everything to do with the fact that we SHOULD have more talent and play better than Ole Miss. I would love to win more home games but I would take a home loss every year if it meant winning the West. There aren't any trophies associated with just winning home games.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:56 pm to FortWorthAg15
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I'm going to be way more upset when we lose to Ole Miss on the road than when we lose to Alabama at home this year.
Remember when it was basically a certainty that, if you played at Tiger Stadium at night you were going to lose? It needs to be that way at Kyle again.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 3:38 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Remember when it was basically a certainty that, if you played at Tiger Stadium at night you were going to lose? It needs to be that way at Kyle again.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 5:24 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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If you didn't know, there were serious talks about firing R.C. Slocum in 1996 because he lost 3 home games that season,
That is not why he was nearly fired at all. It was b/c he had an affair with his secretary (who he eventually married FWIW). When his wife found out she came to a practice and dumped his shite out on the field causing a huge scene.
A&M was undefeated at home exactly 8 times before RC became HC. He did it 8 times in 14 seasons w/5 of those coming in his first 7 years before the '96 season.
Going into the '96 season he was 68-15-2 w/3 conference titles (would have been 4 had the team not been on probation in '94) w/no finish worse than 2nd in the SWC. Had the affair been with a person who wasn't his subordinate he would have never been in trouble. Period.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 5:31 pm to Dr RC
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It was b/c he had an affair with his secretary (who he eventually married FWIW). When his wife found out she came to a practice and dumped his shite out on the field causing a huge scene.
So that actually happened? I thought it was alleged.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 5:51 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Yes. He was never going to get canned for a single 6-6 year after all the success he had up to that point.
He had to deal with a faction of butthurt boosters who were mad about losing total access post Jackie and that was their first major opening to try and oust him. Those idiots damn near fricked the program w/their insistence on flagrant cheating and they never liked that he didn't want them around b/c of it.
Hell, we lost a chance at a national title b/c they were too stupid cover their asses and got Greg Hill and 3 other players suspended for the Cotton Bowl the year we went 12-0. It didn't help that the d-bags running the Cotton opted for #5 Notre Dame instead of higher ranked #3 FSU b/c they wanted bigger tv ratings but losing the most important player on offense ended our chances before the game even started.
He had to deal with a faction of butthurt boosters who were mad about losing total access post Jackie and that was their first major opening to try and oust him. Those idiots damn near fricked the program w/their insistence on flagrant cheating and they never liked that he didn't want them around b/c of it.
Hell, we lost a chance at a national title b/c they were too stupid cover their asses and got Greg Hill and 3 other players suspended for the Cotton Bowl the year we went 12-0. It didn't help that the d-bags running the Cotton opted for #5 Notre Dame instead of higher ranked #3 FSU b/c they wanted bigger tv ratings but losing the most important player on offense ended our chances before the game even started.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 8:51 pm to FortWorthAg15
I expect to win the conference at the rate historically possible for Auburn.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:00 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I expect to win the conference at the rate historically possible for Auburn
I'd go a notch above that. We have deeper pockets and better local talent than Auburn. Outside of Alabama, Florida and LSU, every SEC program probably wishes they had the recruiting pool and money combo we have. I don't expect to rise to the level of Auburn quick, but I do expect for us to surpass them down the road.
With the resources that we have at our disposal, we should be a perennial contender for conference championship. Why that isn't the case has a lot to do with our broken good old boy system that likes to hire within.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:00 pm to TeLeFaWx
Auburn is pretty much what I think we can be in the SEC. I don't think that's a ridiculous expectation
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:36 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
I think this is a good comp. I would like to think we could be a bit more consistent. They throw in 3-5 win seasons every now and then. I think over the long run I expect our ability to compete for conference titles to be slightly higher, but for now Saban is at Bama and that lowers the frequency I expect by a little bit
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:37 am to FortWorthAg15
Florida State hasn't had a losing season since pre-Bowden.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:13 am to FortWorthAg15
The reality is that my expectations for our program are a fantasy when compared to reality. I expect us to win 9+ games a year, and compete for the SEC title 2/5 years.
Reality is that we are a very average program historically, and a 10 win season is a once in a decade accomplishment, while a conference championship is also a once in a generation occurance.
Throw out the late 80s and the early 90s, they aren't indicative of our program and are not realistic comparisons.
Reality is that we are a very average program historically, and a 10 win season is a once in a decade accomplishment, while a conference championship is also a once in a generation occurance.
Throw out the late 80s and the early 90s, they aren't indicative of our program and are not realistic comparisons.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:08 am to The Balinese Club
Florida state, and really the whole state of Florida were average prior to the 90's. We need our Bowden or Spurrier.
If you get it just right one time it can affect your next 30 years.
FSU has 18 conference titles , 15 since 92 and 1948,49,50.
What does FSU have that we don't other than looser morals and a cooler external perception? LOL
If you get it just right one time it can affect your next 30 years.
FSU has 18 conference titles , 15 since 92 and 1948,49,50.
What does FSU have that we don't other than looser morals and a cooler external perception? LOL
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 11:34 am
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:55 pm to Nguyening
I don't even think paying players is a moral issue. We need a bagmen overhaul too
Posted on 9/13/17 at 1:01 pm to agalloch
Here here. I meant in general. Have you ever seen the women in Tallahassee? Lol
Posted on 9/13/17 at 3:20 pm to Nguyening
We did have it and his name was Jackie Sherill. We were chickenshit to let him go when tu used their puppet, the DMN, to bring the heat. We weren't doing anything they weren't doing and they know it.
We should have told the NCAA to kiss our arse, we are keeping our coach. That was our chance, and we were pussies.
We should have told the NCAA to kiss our arse, we are keeping our coach. That was our chance, and we were pussies.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 3:21 pm
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