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Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:12 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:12 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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You sat down with your great grandparents at night?
Yes, folks had kids younger so I had my great grandparents when I was young.
20 year generations
00 = kid
20 = parent
40 = grandparent
60 = great grandparent
80 = great grandparent with a 20 year old great grandchild
My great grandfather died in his 80's and my great grandmother died in her 90's
One side was Italian so when we had sunday dinner we had a small city around the dinner tables.
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:17 pm to Cheese Grits
Maybe you hadn't "experimented" so much more people my age would have met their great grandparents. Here we are though
Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:22 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Hardly. This is hyperbole.
While not 100% it is hardly hyperbole
Do you still see kids sitting down to family dinners every night with no TV's and no cell phones, because I sure do not. My culture was defined by my elders at family gatherings. My great grandparents were 1st generation Americans through Ellis Island.
We were taught at a very early age to pitch in and do out part for the family unit. How many kids do you see today woking odd jobs to put their earnings in the family pot?
How many of you grew up at a time of real poverty and war? Spend some time with the folks who lived through the Great Depression and the Great War and you know just how good we have it now.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:26 pm to Cheese Grits
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Do you still see kids sitting down to family dinners every night with no TV's and no cell phones, because I sure do not. My culture was defined by my elders at family gatherings. My great grandparents were 1st generation Americans through Ellis Island.
Your generation raised us and set the standard for what family dinners look like?
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We were taught at a very early age to pitch in and do out part for the family unit. How many kids do you see today woking odd jobs to put their earnings in the family pot?
Are you suggesting teenagers no longer work? Are you saying 10-12 year olds should be holding full time jobs? I don't even understand this one
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How many of you grew up at a time of real poverty and war? Spend some time with the folks who lived through the Great Depression and the Great War and you know just how good we have it now.
There are still poor people in America. I, and I imagine a lot of other people my age and on this board, have had plenty of friends who have fought overseas in multiple wars or fought in them themselves
The problem with the generational stereotyping is you assume every person born between a broad time period had the same upbringing and background. They are the broadest strokes you can paint with. It says a lot about the ignorance of folks with how mainstream it's become
This post was edited on 10/7/16 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:27 pm to Cheese Grits
Wut is happening here
Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:27 pm to DBU
Young people suck! They don't know how tough it was!
Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:35 pm to DBU
I have no clue. This and the chainsmoker thread are the two weirdest the board has ever seen. And thats saying something, we have kaiser as a poster
This post was edited on 10/7/16 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:51 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:02 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Your generation raised us and set the standard for what family dinners look like?
I blame the 80's and the first age of disconnect with video games.
The beginning of the end was neighborhood aunties being replaced TV's and electronics as "babysitters". Lassie and Howdy Doodie were gateway drugs so the next generation was hooked on the hard stuff like the Smurfs, Transformers, and He Man that were just 30 min commercials.
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Are you suggesting teenagers no longer work?
I am suggesting getting teenagers to work is harder in an age of entitlement. You can't teach hustle in school and that has to start at home. I always had a hustle job like mowing yards and light maintenance. They taught me how to fix things and keep my tools in working order.
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Are you saying 10-12 year olds should be holding full time jobs?
Not during school, but summers working full time or nearly full time was a good life lesson on working to afford the things you wanted, or wanted to do. If you grew up on a farm you had work during the week before and after school. Young skills caring for land and livestock can follow you through life. Getting up at 3 or 4 in the morning means when you go to college and work you are already trained as an early riser and have a jump on your peer group.
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There are still poor people in America. I, and I imagine a lot of other people my age and on this board, have had plenty of friends who have fought overseas in multiple wars or fought in them themselves
I agree about the poor in America, but is a country of such wealth and excess, it seems unfathomable to have such poverty.
As to war, you are missing the broader picture of the difference between warriors and a country at war, and a country in poverty. Next time you go to your local Wal Mart super center close your eyes and open them again while imagining that 80% to 90% of the shelves are empty. Imagine a trip to the HEB with very little canned goods and almost no meats or produce. Now imagine that going on for about 15 years with no change in sight.
Since WWII we send a very small proportion of our populace to wars outside the US borders while the folks at home have no shortage of goods and services. This not a "broad stroke" as you imply in the sense that fewer and fewer can actually remember such a "broad time". The issue is what happens when it happens again and you no longer have the intergenerational ties to get through it.
History has a tendency to repeat, so it is more "when" than "if".
Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:48 pm to Cheese Grits
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Do you still see kids sitting down to family dinners every night with no TV's and no cell phones, because I sure do not.
Meh, weak argument. Your generation would have done the same if y'all had had cell phones, don't front
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My great grandparents were 1st generation Americans through Ellis Island.
....bully for you, then, I guess?
I have a healthy respect for history but that's not really here nor there when it comes to the point you were trying to make.
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We were taught at a very early age to pitch in and do out part for the family unit. How many kids do you see today woking odd jobs to put their earnings in the family pot?
I see a lot more kids stretching themselves super thin to check off as many activities as they can that will make them attractive to colleges. It's harder to get in now than it used to be, in spite of the value of degrees diminishing. Also not very feasible to work one's way through school anymore.
You're comparing this generation to your nostalgia, but the game has changed so much, you're not only comparing apples to oranges, but your blaming the apples for not being oranges
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How many of you grew up at a time of real poverty and war? Spend some time with the folks who lived through the Great Depression and the Great War and you know just how good we have it now.
Trust me, plenty of us know how good we have it. Plenty of my peers and younger have served and are serving to do our damndest to help keep it that way. You don't have to live in squalor to appreciate such. In fact, I'd argue that technology today makes more of us more aware than ever before.
My main point is: these generational stereotypes are ridiculous, lazy, and, in most cases, self-aggrandizing. Be intellectually honest and put them to bed instead of participating in them.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:52 pm to WestCoastAg
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I have no clue. This and the chainsmoker thread are the two weirdest the board has ever seen. And thats saying something, we have kaiser as a poster
I recall when Jff's rep was first being established as a wild child, there were several interesting threads about cultural and generational norms that got fairly weird lol
Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:54 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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The problem with the generational stereotyping is you assume every person born between a broad time period had the same upbringing and background. They are the broadest strokes you can paint with. It says a lot about the ignorance of folks with how mainstream it's become
This. Especially as it relates to millennials. By any metric, we're the most diverse, eclectic demographic this nation has ever seen. In all honesty, it's an exercise in laziness to try to fit ANY generational demographic in a finite box, but intellectually impossible with us.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 12:55 am to TbirdSpur2010
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In all honesty, it's an exercise in laziness to try to fit ANY generational demographic in a finite box
You realize folks have made gobs of money following what Baby Boomers bought, right?
As to the other point in your previous post, two things.
To say this generation is equipped to handle shortage with no real history or skills is simpleminded. Again, imagine walking into a market and having most of the shelves empty. Imagine the biggest car dealership in your town with 90% fewer cars for sale. Imagine your local Best Buy with 90% less inventory. In a real depression, nobody has money, so nobody can buy anything, and nobody takes credit.
You say that kids need more skills to get into college, I would argue they are less equipped for basic survival skills like fixing engines, houses, appliances and to go even deeper skills for things like plumbing and real "victory" type gardens. If you can't cook, how do you feed yourself when no big chains are in business because nobody has income to frequent them.
While these points may be broad to you, in a heartbeat they can be broad for an entire country. We live in a world of credit but never consider a world where credit does not exist. We live in a world of excess goods but fail to see how quickly these goods will shrink if we have another crash like 29. You live in a generation where corporations want 10% increases a year, which may work in the short run, but fail in the long run because they can not be sustained.
You can say I am an old fool and don't know what I am talking about but you can not say I have not been closer to a reality in the past. You are an intelligent person and you served, but you did not serve in a time when the war or economic crisis was so visible in your immediate sphere.
As I said before, walk into a Super Store and just visualize 80% of the shelves being empty. That was a reality of the past and can easily be a reality of the future.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:33 am to Cheese Grits
This new generation has gotten too reliant on fire for light and cooking meats, you know waiting on lightning to strike a tree was a reality not too long ago and what would you do?
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:35 am to Cheese Grits
I mean we get the sentiment, and the value in practical knowledge and survival skills. The general paranoia for the future that sets in as you age, once again, is nothing new. It coincides with the general disdain for the youth and thinking they generally should be doing better, and have had it easy, and are ungrateful. We will feel the same about our children's generation whatever lame name we give it.
This post was edited on 10/8/16 at 11:32 am
Posted on 10/8/16 at 11:33 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Your generation would have done the same if y'all had had cell phones, don't front
It is perception, case in point is photographs.
We have boxes of albums full of 100+ years of family photo's and the age of the selfie is unique to the newest generation. Decades of large group pictures and multi generational images, passed down and oral histories passed with them.
Pictures of historic events
Pictures of place and time
Pictures of full family interactions
Maybe I am just more in tune with the photographic composition but the past 10 years and the selfie is a look unlike any of the decades before it. In simple terms it is more about "me" based images and less about "we" based images. Kids, and no Tbird, you are no longer in this category, are disconnected from the past unlike anything I have seen before. They don't know and they don't want to know about what got them to where they are.
The same can be said for music and singing. While I was a fan of the music of my generation, I also embraced the music of my parents and the music of my grandparents. I have a collection of music from 78's to 45's to 33's all the way up to CD's where music was made to fill up space and be shared among people. Now you see kids plugged in with ear buds and isolated in their music. it also shuts them out to the actual world around them. Again, a "me" vs "we" interaction between generations and a move to isolation
You are a military guy and a college guy, how often do you see brothers arm and arm across generations singing local songs at a bar? The 1980's may have been the last time this was common at all as the karaoke machine shifted the "we" of group sing to the "me" of an age of "look at me" singing from words on a screen and a pop hit. Ask some teenager today and they seem to only know the music of their peers, and tune out if engaged so they do not learn even the generations before "oldies" like music from the 90's.
Hate to break it to you, but nowadays, 5 years out of college and you might as well be my age to some young kids today.
Take a look this pic and none of the 3 people are engaged with each other or even their immediate surroundings. They will possibly produce offspring who will be even more unaware. If you want to engage in a social experiment next time you are in an unfamiliar town walk down the street and observe how many folks are aware of their surroundings and how many never look up from their phones. As a second experiment when you are passing them say hello or good day and how many respond vs how many ignore you or hurry away in panic.
From conversations on here your dad was a good man and and you had a good upbringing which makes you enjoyable to engage on here. You are blessed but you may be the exception more than the rule and you are the generation ahead of the generation I am actually observing and discussing more. You have people skills some a scant few years below you totally lack.
Anyway, games are on so enough of this till at least no more games.
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