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Define success for Aggie football
Posted on 10/18/17 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 10/18/17 at 6:32 pm
What's your personal definition of a successfull coaching career at TAMU?
Idealy our win percentages would be for teams we play every year
Alabama 25 (until Saban leaves no one will consistently beat him)
Arkansas 100 (could change if they hire another coach as good as Petrino)
Auburn 75
LSU 50(will change based on how we do this year and how quickly they change coaches again, the amount of talent in Louisiana should keep them as a tough but beatable opponent)
Ole Miss 95
Miss State 95
South Carolina 100
And 9-3 would be our floor for the year depending on the other east team
I think everyone should be happy with this win percentage if we go to a SEC championship game every 4 year's or so. We just have to find the coach that's capable of getting us there. Who that coach is I have no idea.
Idealy our win percentages would be for teams we play every year
Alabama 25 (until Saban leaves no one will consistently beat him)
Arkansas 100 (could change if they hire another coach as good as Petrino)
Auburn 75
LSU 50(will change based on how we do this year and how quickly they change coaches again, the amount of talent in Louisiana should keep them as a tough but beatable opponent)
Ole Miss 95
Miss State 95
South Carolina 100
And 9-3 would be our floor for the year depending on the other east team
I think everyone should be happy with this win percentage if we go to a SEC championship game every 4 year's or so. We just have to find the coach that's capable of getting us there. Who that coach is I have no idea.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 7:47 pm
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 6:37 pm to ziggity06
1: We should consistently be winning 9+ games, and 9-4 should be our floor most years
2: We should very, very rarely lose to USC, Arkansas and the Mississippi schools
3: We should legitimately compete for a conference title and the CFB playoff at least once every 4 year cycle
4: We should lose no more than 1 home game a year
5: We should annually land at least 3-4 of the in state top 10 in recruiting
2: We should very, very rarely lose to USC, Arkansas and the Mississippi schools
3: We should legitimately compete for a conference title and the CFB playoff at least once every 4 year cycle
4: We should lose no more than 1 home game a year
5: We should annually land at least 3-4 of the in state top 10 in recruiting
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:19 pm to ziggity06
6-6
It's all we should ever strive for
It's all we should ever strive for
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:45 pm to ziggity06
We could start by spelling the word with 2 c's. (Success)
In all seriousness, this is my main problem with Sumlin.
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4: We should lose no more than 1 home game a year
In all seriousness, this is my main problem with Sumlin.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:48 pm to ziggity06
Let's put 9-3 into perspective. That's a .750 win percentage. Very, very few active coaches have had that kind success.
9-3 (.750) coaches:
Dabo Swinney .772
Nick Saban .779
David Shaw .798
Jimbo Fisher .798
10-2 (.833) coaches:
Chris Petersen .828
Urban Meyer .850
I'd love to have a 9-3 floor, but it is not a realistic expectation.
9-3 (.750) coaches:
Dabo Swinney .772
Nick Saban .779
David Shaw .798
Jimbo Fisher .798
10-2 (.833) coaches:
Chris Petersen .828
Urban Meyer .850
I'd love to have a 9-3 floor, but it is not a realistic expectation.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:51 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I care about our final standings in the SEC west so it doesn't bother me if we finish 10 and 2 and both losses are at home as long as we finish first or second in the west but I was there from 2002 thru 2007 so i saw a lot of bad football at Kyle Field
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:52 pm to ziggity06
I’m not going to base it off who we should or shouldn’t beat because it changes any given year. I want to win 8-10 games most years and make a serious run (11+) every 4 years.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:52 pm to ziggity06
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I care about our final standings in the SEC west so it doesn't bother me if we finish 10 and 2 and both losses are at home as long as we finish first or second in the west but I was there from 2002 thru 2007 so i saw a lot of bad football at Kyle Field
That's because you've never experienced a season in which you don't lose a single home game. My senior year (1999-2000) was the last time an Aggie team swept their home slate.
When I left school, it had been 19 games since A&M lost a game at home.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:52 pm to TAMU-93
Ok if 9-3 is unrealistic what win percentage would you be happy with
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:19 pm to ziggity06
-We need to either be in or seriously contend being in the SEC championship at least once every 4-5 years.
-Finish ranked in the top 25 at least 3 out of 5 years.
-Don’t have blowout losses (59-0) or almost record setting collapses (34 point fourth quarter lead).
-top 20 recruiting year in and out, with frequent years in the top 10-15.
I don’t think any of those are unreasonable, especially once saban leaves bama and if they don’t hire swinney right behind him. The SEC most years is going to be very stout and it would be unreasonable to expect 9 or 10+ every single year, most coaches will have a down year every now and again (see Clemson in 2010 under swinney) but if you start to have 3, 4, or 5 years in a row of 7-9 wins that isn’t getting the job done.
-Finish ranked in the top 25 at least 3 out of 5 years.
-Don’t have blowout losses (59-0) or almost record setting collapses (34 point fourth quarter lead).
-top 20 recruiting year in and out, with frequent years in the top 10-15.
I don’t think any of those are unreasonable, especially once saban leaves bama and if they don’t hire swinney right behind him. The SEC most years is going to be very stout and it would be unreasonable to expect 9 or 10+ every single year, most coaches will have a down year every now and again (see Clemson in 2010 under swinney) but if you start to have 3, 4, or 5 years in a row of 7-9 wins that isn’t getting the job done.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:24 pm to Texas Gentleman
My expectation is that we aggressively go after championships. How many 3-9 seasons is a championship worth? It's the sec, playing it safe will get you 3rd- 4th in the secw every year but hey as long as you never finish last...
I want to see a program, fan base, culture that is motivated by the top and not just by avoiding the bottom.
I want to see a program, fan base, culture that is motivated by the top and not just by avoiding the bottom.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:28 pm to Nguyening
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I want to see a program, fan base, culture that is motivated by the top and not just by avoiding the bottom.
Correct, the entire football culture at A&M is playing not to lose. When do we decide to play to win?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:31 pm to Nguyening
If Texas A&M can't reasonably expect to be, minimally, a top 25 program, year in and year out, then we're very bad with money.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:00 am to SafetySam
9-10 wins a year. Three of which are slam dunk wins. Consistently better than all the teams we out recruit in the conference, which means coaching is not a detriment. I expect to lose to those teams with better talent - its losing to the ones that have less that is so frustrating
It isn't difficult. Talent in recruiting (correct type of players) translates to wins with a competent coaching staff. Eight wins a year means that you are somewhere around mediocre in conference play. Unacceptable
It isn't difficult. Talent in recruiting (correct type of players) translates to wins with a competent coaching staff. Eight wins a year means that you are somewhere around mediocre in conference play. Unacceptable
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:47 am to ColoradoAg
It's been worse than mediocre in conference play. We've had an extremely favorable draw from the east. We keep going 2-4 in the west. Where do we rank out of 7 in financial investment, facilities, recruiting grounds, fan base?
It's up for debate but I can't bet no one argues 5th.
It's up for debate but I can't bet no one argues 5th.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:18 pm to SafetySam
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then we're very bad with money.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 4:43 pm to Texas Weazel
Posted on 10/19/17 at 4:56 pm to TAMU-93
quote:Seriously if you guys think 9 wins is a floor you're just innumerate.
I'd love to have a 9-3 floor, but it is not a realistic expectation.
RC averaged 8 wins between 1989 and 1997. The next year he won the division title. And those were our best modern-era squads playing mostly in the post-apocalyptic crater of the SWC.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 5:07 pm to Iosh
RC won 81 games in the 9 seasons from 1989 to 1997 which is 9 games per season
1989 R. C. Slocum 8–4 6–2 T-2nd L John Hancock 20
1990 R. C. Slocum 9–3–1 5–2–1 T-2nd W Holiday 13 15
1991 R. C. Slocum 10–2 8–0 T-1st L Cotton 13 12
1992 R. C. Slocum 12–1 7–0 1st L Cotton 6 7
1993 R. C. Slocum 10–2 7–0 1st L Cotton 8 9
1994 R. C. Slocum 10–0–1 6–0–1 8
1995 R. C. Slocum 9–3 5–2 T-2nd W Alamo 15 15
Big 12 Conference (1996–2011)
1996 R. C. Slocum 6–6[3] 4–4 3rd
1997 R. C. Slocum 9–4 6–2 1st
1989 R. C. Slocum 8–4 6–2 T-2nd L John Hancock 20
1990 R. C. Slocum 9–3–1 5–2–1 T-2nd W Holiday 13 15
1991 R. C. Slocum 10–2 8–0 T-1st L Cotton 13 12
1992 R. C. Slocum 12–1 7–0 1st L Cotton 6 7
1993 R. C. Slocum 10–2 7–0 1st L Cotton 8 9
1994 R. C. Slocum 10–0–1 6–0–1 8
1995 R. C. Slocum 9–3 5–2 T-2nd W Alamo 15 15
Big 12 Conference (1996–2011)
1996 R. C. Slocum 6–6[3] 4–4 3rd
1997 R. C. Slocum 9–4 6–2 1st
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 5:13 pm to ziggity06
Must've fricked up my calculator punching, but my other point stands. That barely reaches the 9 win floor and no coach not named Saban is gonna have a run like that in the modern SEC.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 5:14 pm
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