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re: Check in if you're ready for sumlin to go
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:18 pm to NanosTacoRun
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:18 pm to NanosTacoRun
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I think the concern is, it's very easy to run the ball with a dual threat QB. It's what your RB/OL do without that determines if you have a run game or not.
We don't have an OL that generates consistent push, or RBs that can run into 6 man fronts. So we don't really have a run game. We were just fortunate to have a QB that could move the sticks with his legs when necessary.
If you run zone read it's a 100% must you have a QB who can run the ball. There isn't a single zone read team in the country that will perform well with a guy who can't run worth a flip. Even Kyle Allen runs ZR better than Hubes and he was average at best doing it.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 5:19 pm
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:18 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Vanderbilt rushed for more yards against Ole Miss than we did. With a enter ypc average too.
Every single team Ole Miss played this year rushed for a better ypc than we did. And everyone but Memphis rushed for more yards. That includes 1-AA Wofford.
Every single team Ole Miss played this year rushed for a better ypc than we did. And everyone but Memphis rushed for more yards. That includes 1-AA Wofford.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:22 pm to Dr RC
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If you run zone read it's a 100% must you have a QB who can run the ball. There isn't a single zone read team in the country that will perform well with a guy who can't run worth a flip. Even Kyle Allen runs ZR better than Hubes and he was average at best doing it.
I agree that you need a threat at QB for the zone read to work. But the zone read isn't the only running play you can call.
And the push from your OL should not be dependent on the QB. A team that can run block will run block no matter who is in the backfield. We don't have that, and haven't since Sherman's OL left.
We're now a team that can only run when the numbers in the box are in our advantage. Otherwise, we get stood up at the line or defer to the pass. That's not my definition of a competent run game.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:23 pm to NanosTacoRun
Who said that???
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:26 pm to Texas Weazel
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Who said that???
Chill98
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:32 pm to NanosTacoRun
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I agree that you need a threat at QB for the zone read to work. But the zone read isn't the only running play you can call.
The majority of our offense is built off ZR and run pass options.
To tailor the offense to better suit JH would mean trashing the bulk of the offense. He just doesn't have what it takes.
If I was an opposing HC I'd blitz him 90% of the time. He is terrible at pre-snap reads, doesn't look for his hot routes, and is awful at avoiding pressure.
Also, it's hard for me to get too upset about the o-line when injuries have bogged it down and Turner is only in year one of what we all knew was going to be an incredibly tough rebuild.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:35 pm to NanosTacoRun
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Chill98
. You do realize that's not the only thing he said, right? But you choose to pick apart his post and and ignore the part that said "trouble qualifying" which does hold some truth to it. Some of you are just jumpy as of late and just waiting to pounce on anything said and drag it out.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:35 pm to Dr RC
Agree that the injuries to the OL hurt. But we didn't lose anyone great. And its year 5 under Sumlin. How long does a coach need to establish a credible rushing attack?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:40 pm to Texas Weazel
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. You do realize that's not the only thing he said, right? But you choose to pick apart his post and and ignore the part that said "trouble qualifying" which does hold some truth to it.
Some of you are just jumpy as of late and just waiting to pounce on anything said and drag it out.
So because there are known idiots playing high school football in Texas, and Sumlin chose to recruit them instead of guys who had a chance of qualifying, we should be ok with 4 straight years of piss poor run defense? That sounds dumb.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:42 pm to NanosTacoRun
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Agree that the injuries to the OL hurt. But we didn't lose anyone great.
The guys that weren't great are still clearly better than the guys who were originally their backups. There is a reason they were starting and the other guys weren't. quote:
And its year 5 under Sumlin. How long does a coach need to establish a credible rushing attack?
The rushing attack was one of the best in the nation this year right up until Knight got hurt. Again, for Mazzone's offense to really hum the QB MUST be able to have some running ability to keep the opposing defense honest.
Hubes simply does not have it and I highly doubt he would have ever been given a scholarship had Mazzone been the OC when he was signed. He does not fit the Mazzone offense at all. What's worse is he does not have the arm talent or ability to read a D that a Josh Rosen has to make up for it.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 5:50 pm to Dr RC
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The guys that weren't great are still clearly better than the guys who were originally their backups. There is a reason they were starting and the other guys weren't.
Yes Lanfear was the starter, but he was average at best when out there. I'm just pointing out we didn't lose any studs that derailed our line play.
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The rushing attack was one of the best in the nation this year right up until Knight got hurt. Again, for Mazzone's offense to really hum the QB MUST be able to have some running ability to keep the opposing defense honest.
We're 98th in the nation in Power Success Rate (3rd or 4th down, 2 yards or less to go). That tells me we don't have a legitimate run game. Anyone in the nation can run the ball with a solid dual threat QB. Any team in the nation can run when the numbers in the box favor the offense.
What you can do when the defense knows you're trying to run tells me what you are actually made of.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 6:09 pm to cokebottleag
I think we're a year away from Sumlin being on the hot seat.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 6:23 pm to NanosTacoRun
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So because there are known idiots playing high school football in Texas, and Sumlin chose to recruit them instead of guys who had a chance of qualifying, we should be ok with 4 straight years of piss poor run defense? That sounds dumb
Jesus, just stop. All you're doing is making assumptions. Who said anything with being ok with it???
Take a break from the internet baw. You're just jumpy today.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 6:38 pm to Texas Weazel
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Who said anything with being ok with it???
The people making excuses
Posted on 11/21/16 at 6:41 pm to NanosTacoRun
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Yes Lanfear was the starter, but he was average at best when out there. I'm just pointing out we didn't lose any studs that derailed our line play.
What does it matter that he's not some high round NFL pick or all SEC? He was still obviously a better player at RG than anyone else on the team.
The vast majority of offensive lines in football all start to play worse when they lose a starter and have to start moving guys around. Just b/c a guy isn't killing people individually doesn't mean he is no big loss. O-line is all about chemistry. How good you are individually means jack squat if you can't get in sync with your teammates.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 6:59 pm to Dr RC
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What does it matter that he's not some high round NFL pick or all SEC? He was still obviously a better player at RG than anyone else on the team.
Because to act like all injuries are the same is naive, in my opinion
You lose an all-conference lineman and your OL goes to shite, ok I can buy that. But you lose a guy that is basically replacement-level quality and you can't overcome that tells me you have problems with how you're building your team.
And I'm not blaming anything on Turner, he was handed a crappy situation that Sumlin allowed to develop over 4 years.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:52 pm to NanosTacoRun
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The people making excuses
Show me who exactly said they would be fine with it. Please do.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:47 am to Roger Klarvin
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I'd suck Sarge's dick for a new coach
#NeverForget
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:33 am to Texas Weazel
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Show me who exactly said they would be fine with it. Please do
Pretty sure whoever slapped Scott Woodward down when he said that "8-5 is no longer acceptable" would be completely fine with it.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:07 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
It does appear that 8-5 is in fact acceptable.
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